GRAPEVINE EDITION: Can Black People Be Racist?

[ba'al]

Sidenote: has anyone bothered to look up the history or the word racism?

Who created it? How did it make our way into the lexicon of society?

It seems that some people are trying to remain objective and figure out this answer simply from the Oxford definition.

And others are using a strict and narrow personal definition.

The latter is disingenuous.

The latter is semantical.

I understand what they're gettin at and I agree to a point but the type of gymnastics done to the definition of the word "Racist" in this thread is startin to look a lot like what the LGBT been tryin to do to the word "Gender"

Lol this is the perfect analogy.

 

[Ski Mask]

Socially it's possible, institutionally? Nah.


But I will say that while I aint really sold on institutional racism being the only kind of racism, it's laughable to even socially compare the racism of whites to the racism of blacks

 

[DillaTUDE]

Nah.

Racism (White Supremacy), is defined as follow:

“Racism (White Supremacy) is the local and global power system and dynamic, structured and maintained by persons who classify themselves as white, whether consciously or subconsciously determined, which consists of patterns of perception, logic, symbol formation, thought, speech, action and emotional response, as conducted simultaneously in all areas of people activity (economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex and war), for the ultimate purpose of white genetic survival and to prevent white genetic annihilation on planet earth - a planet upon which the vast and overwhelming majority of people are classified as nonwhite (black, brown, red and yellow) by white skinned people, and all nonwhite people are genetically dominant (in terms of skin coloration) compared to the genetic recessive white skin people”.- Dr. Frances Cress Welsing

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Lmao. This is a very semantical argument but no to both those question. Can you answer my earlier ones though? But this is pretty much my main point soverign african nations aren't powerless or not just continental African but any sovereign black nation isn't powerless and doesn't fit that definition no matter how you try to splice and say that they aren't capable of doing things white people were able to do historically.

South Africa is a predominately black Afican sovereign nation yet they're still dominated by the cac minority.

 

[ba'al]

South Africa is a predominately black Afican sovereign nation yet they're still dominated by the cac minority.

Didn't answer my previous question but that's fine brother. Never said all of africa but your right about south africa I guess. Don't know why you keep bouncing around from different areas and topics. But I'm going to end it like this fam my point is that collectively black independent nations aren't a powerless people they aren't powerless or less capable of expressing the exact same range of thought, emotion or practices of any other group. I get what ya'll are kinda saying but I don't argee with it a 100 percent but arguing whether words apply to different groups of people is interesting though.

 

[Shadow King]

Well then we need 2 different definitions for racism.

Because when black people talk about racism, we are CLEARLY talking about those beliefs with the backing of the oppressive system that is white supremacy.
When white people talk about black people being racist, they are talking about "he called me a cracker and said I cant jump high"

Do you think we would care about racism if not for WS, the history of slavery, the denial of civil rights, etc?
If racism was just jokes that comedians told or slurs, we wouldn't give 2 shyts about it


Some of ya'll are confusing me. Its like you have no idea what black people mean when we say "racism"

Oppression is born from racism, not the other way around. Any -ism is the foundation, the role of oppressed and oppressor comes after.

Like someone has said already by Coli logic no minority group in America can be racist but let a thread be made about a Korean or Cuban or Pakistani public figure making racial slurs towards us it'll be 20 pages of "fukk that racist chink/spic/sand cac".

Whites are the sole group right now with the power to oppress but that doesn't make them the only racists, or else there wouldn't be a consensus here that we have no allies.

 

[Swagnificent]

I agree with it as a collective. But you're gonna have to explain why if a black business owner chooses to discriminate against a white potential employee simply because he's white, said business owner isn't racist.

Okay let me take you explain this to you in baby steps. First we need to get our definitions in order because ya'll are over here confusing other shyt with racism. Nobody said black people cannot be biased. The word we are focused on is RACIST. What you described is a bias. For example, that same business owner might only want to hire people who are good looking rather than ugly. That would be another form of bias.

You are confused about this topic because you don't understand what RACISM is. Racism is the belief that one race (in this case the white race) is superior to other races. To be RACIST, you have to act on that belief that one race is superior to another. Because of the current paradigm of WHITE SUPREMACY that is all-encompassing and dominates our world, its impossible for someone who is black and considered the bottom rung of society to be racist against someone who is white with all the privileges that come from the dominant society even if in an isolated situation that black person who has more economic power than that white person can exercise some sort of bias over that person. What you described would just be discrimination no different than the sort of discrimination fat people or ugly people face. Those types of discrimination is not to the level of racism because they are not linked to the history of violence and oppression that racial discrimination against black people over the last 500 years.

What you described wouldn't be racism because black people cannot be considered racially superior to whites in an overarching system of white supremacy. The only way a black person can be RACIST is if the current system of white supremacy is taken down and replaced with a form of black supremacy that also oppresses white people and other races with the same level of violence and ferocity that white people have used for the last 500 years. Then maybe if all that happens in the year 2517 a black store owner that doesn't hire a white employee because they are white, then they can considered RACIST.

 

[Uncle Hotep]

Black people cannot be racist.

its racist for you to say that

 

[Uncle Hotep]

Yes they can be racist. Racism is simply the belief one's race is superior.

its that simple.

 

[Uncle Hotep]

A black person can't be racist to a White person, but to any other group then yes

lol why not

 

[Swagnificent]

How about if a Mexican calls an Asian chink, is that racist? Or an Asian calling a Latino spic?

That's not racism either. That's just name calling. Its like calling some fat or ugly. Mexicans and Asians don't really have a history of dominance and oppression in their power dynamics vis-a-vis each other.

What makes racism especially troubling is the fact that its tied with a history of oppression based on differences in race and the power dynamics related to them. Remember race didn't always exist. It was specifically created about 500 years ago by white Europeans as a means of controlling the slave populations in the New World. Before that time whiteness and blackness didn't exist. Europeans didn't see each other as the same. And they didn't view all black people as the same. People operated under a world view where people were grouped as nations rather than races.

What made American Chattel Slavery especially insidious is that for the first time in human history, race was created and people were grouped solely based on physical characteristics such as skin color so that even after many generations the badges of oppression and discrimination that came because of slavery would persist. Slavery existed all around the world but people were never divided based on who was a slave and who wasn't when it came to skin color. That way after a few generations and slaves were freed, nobody knew who was master and who was slave since skin color was not used as a marker for slavery. That's how every other part of the world was able to overcome racism. We struggle with it to this day in the Americas because of the creation of this ideology of race.

 

[Swagnificent]

Black people CAN be racist but black people AREN’T racist. The question should be “are black people racist?”.

You're wrong.

In the current paradigm of WHITE SUPREMACY its impossible for any black person to be racist.

White people can be racist to every other race. Other races can be racist toward black people but not whites. And black people cannot be racist toward anyone.

That is how the racial hierarchy of white supremacy operates. White people at the top. Black people at the bottom. Everyone else in-between fighting for the scraps left by whites and trying to distance themselves away from black people as much as they can.

 

[filial_piety]

Of course we can.

This "we cannot be racist, we can only be prejudice, because racism is power blah blah blah" is some pseudo intellectual made up bs

 

[Swagnificent]

If a Mexican can be racist by being proxy "for white supremacy and perpetuating the white supremacist racial hierarchy" how is a black person who does the same NOT racist?

We have a special word for people like that. They are called c00nS, UNCLE TOMS, SELF-HATING NEGROES, etc.

Its impossible to be racist against your own race. That is why even black people that are actively working with the white supremacists to subvert other black people are not racist. They are just c00ns. Same goes for blacks in other countries like Brazil, the Dominican Republic, and Africa that are actively trying to distance themselves from their own blackness by being allies of white supremacy.

 

[Swagnificent]

Mexicans are of different races though.

True. I'm not talking about black Mexicans in that context.

I'm only referring to the white and mestizo/mixed Mexicans in terms of being capable of racism.