Got Loyalty Got Royalty Inside Our DNA. Official Miami Heat 2017-18 Season Thread #DoItForTheCulture

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Been saying this for a while but Whiteside ain't as good as y'all think he is
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This nikka ain't good man.....y'all come in here after every game complaining that he gets no touches just for him to turn the ball over when he he gets it.

Whiteside is useless
 

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Because he can't handle double teams in the slightest and his vision isn't great. He also doesn't establish position and sees himself getting pushed around on the low block. Dude doesn't set screens, get a small guy on him, and then fight to establish position.

So it takes 5-7 seconds to even get him on the block, another 3-4 seconds for him to father himself and space the floor, and this isn't counting any time to bring the ball down. Then the second the double comes, it's a turnover or forced shot.

I see guys like Steven Adams, far less talented, but they understand that the battle of the big men is in fighting for your spot and holding it. Whiteside DOES NOT DO THAT consistently. He just doesn't.

I doubt they even work on him being double teamed and passing out the post since we no they pretty don’t run plays for him. Because there no way if they run stuff like that in practice constantly that he would look that bad or be so unsure to do it in game. He has been here for awhile and I just I don’t understand how a lot of these issues haven’t been discussed him with and work on over and over.

When is the last time Whiteside has even had a little pick and pop midrange shot which was pretty automatic and doesn’t put him in a position to have to take forever to get himself into the paint.

Like a lot of y’all have said he needs to get stronger all around but I don’t if does if he can keep a lot of the athleticism he has.
 

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This made it clear that Whiteside is mentally checked out because of his lack of touches. He's done with Spo.
I’m surprised it took this long and that he signed again with us in 2016 in the first place after how Spo was fukking with him all season long that year, whether it was benching him the whole fourth quarter of close games when he had a triple double already (this also totally ruined us running with the season thread title of “@ThugLife is way cooler and got way more hoes than @He Who Posts Well” since that was the first game where we used that title) bringing him off the bench, the “just stand under the basket in case we need a rebound” thing when we drew up a play with the game on the line (can’t remember who we lost that game to). Dallas even built their sales pitch around actually making him getting the ball and building around him a priority. Realistically speaking, that late regular season game where he was producing after coming back from injury and he sat the last 20 minutes of the game and we lost in overtime where he then mentioned other teams needing a center should’ve been the sign to us all.
 
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The problem I have with that quote is if you look at Whiteside's film from two years ago, the only difference between now and then is 10 lbs of muscle. He's literally the same offensive player he's been, I'd even argue that he has regressed. Nobody can name a single area of his offensive game that he's improved since signing that contract. Maybe he just didn't have the drive, maybe you have to wonder about the coaches too, this guy should've been a top 20 talent.
 

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If Pat can’t get lucky and somehow get Kawhi or some type of high end star/free agent
Just blow this shyt up outside of Bam,Winslow & Richardson
Everyone can go and just let those three play 35 plus minutes a night and let them continue to learn and grow
We are in the Atlanta Hawks threadmil status position going nowhere
 
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The problem I have with that quote is if you look at Whiteside's film from two years ago, the only difference between now and then is 10 lbs of muscle. He's literally the same offensive player he's been, I'd even argue that he has regressed. Nobody can name a single area of his offensive game that he's improved since signing that contract. Maybe he just didn't have the drive, maybe you have to wonder about the coaches too, this guy should've been a top 20 talent.
If this was last year I would have told you that his mid range game was improving but that has completely disappeared.

The relationship between him and Spo is done. All these meetings the two have had pretty much haven’t fix anything if anything it just made the relationship worse. Can we get Zo or even Shaq to sit down with Whiteside and help him in anyway.
 

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The problem I have with that quote is if you look at Whiteside's film from two years ago, the only difference between now and then is 10 lbs of muscle. He's literally the same offensive player he's been, I'd even argue that he has regressed. Nobody can name a single area of his offensive game that he's improved since signing that contract. Maybe he just didn't have the drive, maybe you have to wonder about the coaches too, this guy should've been a top 20 talent.
If this was last year I would have told you that his mid range game was improving but that has completely disappeared.

The relationship between him and Spo is done. All these meetings the two have had pretty much haven’t fix anything if anything it just made the relationship worse. Can we get Zo or even Shaq to sit down with Whiteside and help him in anyway.
Clearly the Whiteside and Spo relationship is broken. He doesn’t want to play for spo anymore and it’s obvious. This has been an issue with them for years. shyt is like a broken record. Whiteside gets next to no minutes or plays involving him in some way, publicly states that he wants to be involved more and that he’s mad about Spo basically viewing him as a garbage man, Spo involves him in the offense and runs a few plays extra for him the next week or two, and then goes back to what caused the issue regardless of if it’s helping the team win or not. Alonzo and Riley need to step in at this point to salvage things if it’s possible. At this point I’m starting to wonder exactly who if anyone besides maybe Richardson have developed as players under our coaching staff that could clearly be attributed to them.
 

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If this was last year I would have told you that his mid range game was improving but that has completely disappeared.

The relationship between him and Spo is done. All these meetings the two have had pretty much haven’t fix anything if anything it just made the relationship worse. Can we get Zo or even Shaq to sit down with Whiteside and help him in anyway.
Duke been in the crib for 4 years, I think he's past the point of getting help. If he wants to salvage whats left of his Heat career he should study Zo and learn how to play with force. 9 times out of 10 he is in this exact same position vs a smaller defender and gets ripped or turns it over in another form
 
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