Got Loyalty Got Royalty Inside Our DNA. Official Miami Heat 2017-18 Season Thread #DoItForTheCulture

[Biscayne]

It honestly just comes down to health. Okaro White, McGruder, Waiters, were all key pieces in Miami's 2nd half comeback. I still gotta see what this team looks like when fully healthy. Especially having waiters as a primary scoring option and utilize that Waiters/Dragic guard duo. Having a legit scoring option in waiters would net us at least 15 more wins. Especially considering how close these losses are.

 

[Draje]

I think we blew a 20 something point lead to the Embiid-less Sixers last night, and what we talking about

Should've sold Whiteside and Dragic off to the highest bidders at the deadline. We're just delaying the inevitable.

Time to do that was last year and in that stacked draft so we could have load of assets that teams actually want. I think you're overstating their value and what they're worth.

If Riley saw an offer worth taking, he would have jumped in it.

 

[CouldBeWorse]

Having a legit scoring option in Waiters would net us at least 15 more wins

Y'all nikkas still running with this huh

 

[havoc]

We are paying our starting center a max contract just so he can set up screens and warm up the bench lol

 

[Primetime21]

It honestly just comes down to health. Okaro White, McGruder, Waiters, were all key pieces in Miami's 2nd half comeback. I still gotta see what this team looks like when fully healthy. Especially having waiters as a primary scoring option and utilize that Waiters/Dragic guard duo. Having a legit scoring option in waiters would net us at least 15 more wins. Especially considering how close these losses are.

Okaro and McGruder's presence have been overstated imo. Betwen the two of them thats 9 PPG, how much are we really missing them? Same with Winslow, I be trying to figure out how the topic of conversation after a loss like last night is a guy who took 3 shots. These are all players that can fill a niche on the team but at the end of the day they dont have a high enough usage rate to really impact W-L, we're simply not getting enough consistently out of the resources we've dedicated the most money to.

Time to do that was last year and in that stacked draft so we could have load of assets that teams actually want. I think you're overstating their value and what they're worth.

If Riley saw an offer worth taking, he would have jumped in it.

And you're overstating the stacked draft part. If you're not in the top 3 which we werent projected to be then you rely on scouting. Donovan Mitchell was likely the pick but we got jumped. If we take these rookies for face value on what they've done this year Bam has outplayed 6-7 of the guys drafted in front of him, thats great value at 14

 

[intruder]

It honestly just comes down to health. Okaro White, McGruder, Waiters, were all key pieces in Miami's 2nd half comeback. I still gotta see what this team looks like when fully healthy. Especially having waiters as a primary scoring option and utilize that Waiters/Dragic guard duo. Having a legit scoring option in waiters would net us at least 15 more wins. Especially considering how close these losses are.

Was McGruder really that good, brehs? As in how does he compare to Wayne Ellington?

I missed a good portion of last year after Winslow got hurt so i didnt see most of that 30-11 stretch until the tail-end of the run. I was dealing with some other issues all last year and had kinda chilled for a bit so i didnt see McGruder or Dion's hot streaks

 

[Armchair Militant]

Was McGruder really that good, brehs? As in how does he compare to Wayne Ellington?

I missed a good portion of last year after Winslow got hurt so i didnt see most of that 30-11 stretch until the tail-end of the run. I was dealing with some other issues all last year and had kinda chilled for a bit so i didnt see McGruder or Dion's hot streaks

Ellington is much better than Mcgruder. He's another one of those "culture" players who struggle to put the ball in the basket.

 

[HiphopRelated]

A lot of these guys are on very tradeable contracts. If they don't turn this around after the All Star break I can see them making moves this offseason. Last night's loss was inexcusable.

They might be tradeable if expiring, ain't nobody trying to pay these dudes into the 2020s.

TJ making 38 mil over the next 2 years etc.

 

[LeoTheGreat]

mcgruder will help us so much more on defense especially in them turd quarters plus he can hit a couple 3's a game. dude is a gritty ass player

 

[Makavalli]

Olynyk was our best off-season FA move, B. Closest would be resigning JJ and it's not that close

I'd say my favorite players to watch on this team are Olynyk, James Johnson and Winslow (when he's on). 2nd tier would be Bam, Hassan and Dion (again, when he's on).

And trust me when we signed him I was wondering what the fukk we're doing but then decided to let it play out

I know that breh and i was the same about the signing until he actually played in a heat uniform. Dude is a high iq and efficient player for us. He should be a 2nd or 3rd option for us on offense and ball handling. I dont understand why spo wont start him next to hassan instead of all this experimental line up shyt. Spo too complicated for his own good. Unless there are injuries we should have the same rotation so guys can talk and figure out how to play off each other

 

[He Who Posts Well]

They might be tradeable if expiring, ain't nobody trying to pay these dudes into the 2020s.

TJ making 38 mil over the next 2 years etc.

You can never say never. With the exception of TJ, we have a lot of role players that could put a team in contention or be the missing piece to a championship team.

 

[Green Ranger]

We are paying our starting center a max contract just so he can set up screens and warm up the bench lol

Spo has been using him like Deandre Jordan like he has no type of offensive game whatsoever.
What happen to Whiteside midrange jumper he worked so hard with OG Juwan I don’t even remember the last time I seen him take one.

Why you think when Whiteside found out Wade was back he had a cot damm kool aid smile the stats prove it Dragic and Whiteside have no type of chemistry. Dragic is a scoring sometime tunnel vision one man fast break it just doesn’t fit how Whiteside plays.

They always say get the big man involved early to keep them engaged. Big aren’t like wings where they can get a rebound bring the ball up and create everything themselves they need guys to set them up and get them in the right position or at least get them to ball in the post where they are most comfortable and then they can create for themselves.

I remember watching from Ewing, Zo, Duncan, Robinson, Shaq, Rik freaking Smits get the ball in the post and try to get position kick it back out get it back and they either got one on one coverage or they was able to draw a double and pass it back out for an open 3. I never see that type of offense with Whiteside it would help this team so much. Either deal with Gawdside or leave Richardson or Ellington open for 3. There no inside out offense. I no Whiteside isn’t the greatest passer in the world but do they even practice this. You would think Spo would remember the days of Shaq and kicking it out to Posey or Jason Williams, GP, Wade and do this with Gawdside.

I will say this til I’m blue in the face Spo is not maximizing Whiteside & Winslow to the best of there ability’s they where post to be the present and the future of this team and it seem like they are just nothing more then role players. Until we get a completely different offensive mindset and start putting both of them in better position to showcase there talent and not there short coming there never going to reach there full potential.

 

[Primetime21]

I will say this til I’m blue in the face Spo is not maximizing Whiteside & Winslow to the best of there ability’s they where post to be the present and the future of this team and it seem like they are just nothing more then role players. Until we get a completely different offensive mindset and start putting both of them in better position to showcase there talent and not there short coming there never going to reach there full potential.

I've accepted its going to be whats its going to be. Thats why I advocated traded Whiteside, not because I dont like him but If you wont use him get something for him. Only criticism I have is he doesnt sell out for boards or blocks like he used to.

Winslow needs to go somewhere that he can have a coach get behind him and encourage him to be aggressive regardless of mistakes like what he had in college. His play style is a shell of what made him a lottery pick, just sets screens and stands in the corner.

 

[HiphopRelated]

You can never say never. With the exception of TJ, we have a lot of role players that could put a team in contention or be the missing piece to a championship team.

I hope GMs view it that way, cause I want an offseason firesale. Rebuild would start two years later than I wanted, but better than 2020

 

[Samson]

I hope GMs view it that way, cause I want an offseason firesale. Rebuild would start two years later than I wanted, but better than 2020

Rebuild works if we have draft picks. We constantly trade them away. Our 2nd rounders are gone we don't have one til 2025) and our 1st rounders

2018 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Miami's 1st round pick to Phoenix protected for selections 1-7 in 2018 and unprotected in 2019 [Miami-New Orleans-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

2018 second round draft pick to Memphis, Orlando or Houston
Memphis will receive the most favorable of its 2018 2nd round pick, Charlotte's 2018 2nd round pick and Miami's 2018 2nd round pick and Orlando will receive the second most favorable (via Memphis to Phoenix) and Houston will receive the least favorable (via Memphis) of these three picks [Charlotte-Memphis-Miami, 2/16/2016; Houston-Memphis, 6/22/2017; Memphis-Phoenix, 9/22/2017; Orlando-Phoenix, 2/8/2018]

2019 second round draft pick to Minnesota
Miami's 2019 2nd round pick to Minnesota (via Charlotte) [Charlotte-Miami, 6/26/2014; Charlotte-Minnesota, 2/10/2015]

2020 second round draft pick to Sacramento
Miami's 2020 2nd round pick to Sacramento (via Boston to Cleveland) [Boston-Miami, 7/27/2015; Boston-Cleveland, 8/22/2017; Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018]

2021 first round draft pick to Phoenix
Miami's 2021 1st round pick to Phoenix [Miami-New Orleans-Phoenix, 2/19/2015]

2021 second round draft pick to Portland
Miami's 2021 2nd round pick to Portland [Miami-Portland, 2/18/2016]

2023 second round draft pick to Dallas
Miami's 2023 2nd round pick to Dallas [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017]

2024 second round draft pick to Cleveland
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Cleveland protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Miami's obligation to Cleveland will be extinguished) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018]