Good Luck finding a JOB. Linkedin is selling us out

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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec12/makingsense_09-25.html


LinkedIn Payola: Selling out employers and job hunters
Filed under: Job Search, Q&A, Readers' Forum, Recruiting, Resumes, Stuff I worry about, Stupid HR Tricks

Introduction
You’re an employer. You pay LinkedIn to search its profiles when you’re recruiting. Do you care that the job applicants who rise to the top of your search results paid for their positioning?



In a sweeping 1950s music industry scandal, radio deejays were exposed for taking money — payola — from record promoters to play their record labels’ songs, regardless of popular tastes. Certain songs went up the charts because record labels paid for positioning.

Today, payola seems to be the name of the game on LinkedIn, where job hunters can pay $29.95 per month to “move to the top of the applicant list” when employers search LinkedIn profiles for recruiting.

In the radio scandal, the payments were secret. LinkedIn sells top position in recruiting search results shamelessly.

In the July 23, 2013 Ask The Headhunter Newsletter, a reader says LinkedIn is behaving immorally and unethically:

I received an e-mail from LinkedIn, with a vertical list of five or six firms and logos, suggesting that I could be interested in these jobs. One of them caught my attention and I applied. I simply clicked on the “View job” link, uploaded a copy of my resume, and clicked the submit button. Immediately, a very questionable pop-up appeared. For $29.95 per month, LinkedIn has offered to sell me an “upgrade” that will put me at the top of the results this employer will see when it searches the LinkedIn database for job applicants. I find this to be unethical and immoral. How about you?

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When Ask The Headhunter subscriber Richard Tomkins brought this to my attention (he graciously gave me permission to print his name), I had to see it for myself.



So yesterday I applied for a job listed in a LinkedIn e-mail about “Jobs you may be interested in.” The pop-up that appeared on my screen is on the right.

(Tomkins got the exact same pop-up six months ago, listing the same #2 and #3 profiles beneath his own. He notes they are in the “San Francisco Bay Area,” thousands of miles from his own location. You’d think LinkedIn would gin up a pitch that at least delivers “results” that include “candidates” from the same geographic area!)

More suckers
I couldn’t believe that LinkedIn was going to sucker an employer — who paid to search LinkedIn profiles — by putting me at the top of the search results just because I paid for it.

“Move your job application to the top of the recruiter’s list!” in exchange for payola of $29.95, LinkedIn said to me.

While the employer is paying thousands to LinkedIn to search for applicants???

So I contacted LinkedIn, thinking that Tomkins and I had somehow gotten this wrong. Could LinkedIn be taking money from job seekers and fleecing employers with fake rankings?

A customer service representative, LaToya (no last name given), explained that the advantage, if I pay the $29.95, “is that your [sic] at the top of the list rather than listed toward the bottom as a Basic applicant.”

So it’s true. LinkedIn sells positioning to job hunters while it sells database searches to employers. Talk about getting paid on both ends of a deal! Meanwhile, the “Basic” applicants (those other suckers, who ride free) are relegated to the bottom of the list.

I wrote back to LaToya: “Don’t the employers get upset when they see someone ‘paid’ to get bumped to the top?”

That was taken care of, explained LaToya: Employers “have the option to turn on and off the setting.”

So I buy top positioning in recruiting results for $29.95 per month, and the employer has the option to render my payment a total waste. The only winner is LinkedIn — higher revenues, higher stock price, higher corporate valuation, and more suckers paying. This is the leading website for recruiting and job hunting?

The Lance Armstrong league
But it seems there’s another loser in this game: LinkedIn, whose reputation just sank to the bottom of the job board swill pot. (Well, not the very bottom. That’s the sole purview of TheLadders.)

Another job board, CareerBuilder, used to offer top position in search results for $150. (CareerBuilder’s New Ad Campaign: What’s a sucker worth?) LinkedIn may call itself a business network, but now it’s just another job board.

LinkedIn recently awarded Tomkins a “blue ribbon” because his LinkedIn page is “in the top 10% of the most viewed entries.”
 

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" If you need a job tomorrow, you must start job hunting 2 years ago. That's how long it takes to form a legitimate relationship with someone who WILL pitch you to an employer. That's the investment to make, starting now. "

" Lastly, the idea that anyone could get a job just by networking is just as ridiculous. The only way anyone on the inside is going to "champion" you is if they already know you well. The notion that someone would pitch for someone they just met to a hiring manager is a joke. "

" Prove you can do the work profitably! But that doesn't happen in a resume, and certainly not on an online job form. Employers have revealed their staggering failure at recruiting, when they admit they can't process all those applications -- after they install systems to SOLICIT more than they can process, and more than could ever be worth hiring.
The solution is painful: Get off the automated teat of recruiting. Stop using jobs databases to find a job. Pretend they don't exist. Start talking to people. You know, the same way you started those businesses. The shocking thing about this approach (which has worked for centuries) is that the competition is slim. Most are corralled in the job boards, leaving you great freedom to pursue virtually anything you want. Try it: It works, because there's far greater value in a dialogue with a person than in a dopey form
 

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They are providing a service. You don't have to apply for jobs through Linkedin. You would do better to get face time with hiring managers through industry events and organizations anyway.
yes but its misleading.....they promote the premium users even if they dont qualify for the position. Imagine if google accepted payola for the top sites. We would have a weak system.
 

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yes but its misleading.....they promote the premium users even if they dont qualify for the position. Imagine if google accepted payola for the top sites. We would have a weak system.

Google themselves may not accept payola but rest assured there are ways top ranking sites are ranking because of money (SEO)
 

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All the halfway decent jobs are obtained through nepotism anyway :shaq2:

Paying LinkedIN to make your profile more visible? $29/Mo

Bosses and CEO's giving job vacancies to their unqualified nieces or nephews? priceless
lmao true....thats the lowest package....they have higher package which is a rp off.
 

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Google themselves may not accept payola but rest assured there are ways top ranking sites are ranking because of money (SEO)
Most SEO methods are shady and illegal, when google actually finds out you didn't get top page rankings the legit way they'll punish you.

And they have ways of finding out
 

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Why you don’t need a Linkedin Premium account
Update: December 2012
This original post was released in May 2012. The essence of the article is still valid today: you don’t need a LinkedIn premium account if you will not use LinkedIn as a tool to achieve one of these three strategic objectives: Finding a Job, Sell to Businesses or Recruit. Since May 2012 the company has launched very interesting products aimed at professionals. You should review them if you are in one of those three categories. Otherwise the article will help you indeed.

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Let me share with you a little story: I decided to upgrade to a Business Account on Linkedin basically because I had a business reason. I wanted to contact a freelance professional that I found on the site that was apparently available, to propose a really interesting business project as an interim professional.

The professional was not sharing contact info and was not open to contacts from anyone. This preference set-up is very common and is particularly not good if you are willing to be found (if you are contractor). I thought about not contacting him since his set-up does not seem very mindful of his environment and may speak very little about his attention to detail. On second thought, I decided to give him a second chance and consider that the professional was not really social network savvy and had just posted his profile but not really knowing what he was doing or why it was useful or could benefit him.

The only way for me to get in touch with him was via the mysterious – almost mystical – InMail. I didn’t think it over much (since I was very interested in contacting the freelancer) and upgraded my account.

This is what I received:


Hi Jordi,

Thank you for upgrading to a LinkedIn Premium Account! Your LinkedIn account now contains five benefits that aren’t available to free account holders.

As a premium subscriber, you get these perks:
  1. InMail™ messages to get the conversation started. No need to wait for an introduction: with InMails™, you can send a message to any of the 50 million members on LinkedIn.
  2. View the full profiles of all LinkedIn members. Be fully prepared with background information on potential clients, hires, and business partners.
  3. Find the right people, faster. Sharpen your ability to find decision makers, experts and leads with three times more search results. Try our advanced search.
  4. Save and organize new contacts into folders of your choice. You can save important profiles into your Profile Organizer, a workspace that makes it easy for you to keep track of them, and stay up-to-date with notes and contact information. Get started with Profile Organizer.
  5. See who’s viewed your profile. Get more information on who’s interested in you from customers, to suppliers, to recruiters and more. View the complete list.
To see some of these services in action, sign-up for a complimentary training session on how to get the most out of your Premium Account.

We hope you enjoy your new powers on LinkedIn!

Sincerely,
The LinkedIn Team

After a little bit of trial and investigation of the benefits of the upgrade, here are some comments:

1. InMail™ messages to get the conversation started. – NOT

I have already used one of the three InMails to contact the professional, and it has been ignored. InMails are just e-mails. Basically you don’t need something with a new name that does exactly what e-mails do. There are several ways to get around not knowing the target professional’s address. Amongst them, you can always “Send him an Invite”. The target will get quite an odd message, that’s true, but with the right wording, you should overcome the initial awkward impression by including … “I thought it would be of professional value to be connected I’m also sending a Linkedin invite to stay in touch…”

2. View the full profiles of all LinkedIn members – NOT

Not True either. You can and will only see the professional profiles of those who make their profiles public. On top of that, a lot of people still have incomplete profiles, so this won’t allow you to see any more of them … since it’s just not there. Disappointing feature.


3. Find the right people, faster with advanced search

Honestly, I have to say that I cannot see “any “difference of value between the standard search and the premium search. Further disappointment.

4. Save and organize new contacts into folders of your choice – Profile Organizer

Interesting feature for corporate accounts with more than two people looking at profiles, with specialised tasks (for instance ‘profile searcher’ and ‘approver-manager’) may be of certain value. Organizing the Prospecting in this sense is the only value that this new functionality may provide, and it is definitely not very valuable for the rest “not so complex” users.

5. See who’s viewed your profile – NOT

I have to admit that this was one of the most intriguing and fascinating features of the upgrade. Since I’ve had my Linkedin account I have been (I guess we all have … please admit it!) fantasizing about who and why someone was taking a look at my profile, with no rationale behind – you never know what’s on people’s mind but my guess, at this point, is that it would just be curiosity, after all. I was also fascinated by the intriguing message: “To see more people, upgrade your account”.

I felt that actually knowing the name of the people that has taken a look at my profile may give me a clue on why they would spend any time staring at my profile – a potential client? A potential provider? A potential job offer? ….

The report on this feature is that the information that you get is exactly the same as the one that you get with the free account, which nothing else than “Someone at Hewlett-Packard”, “Project Manager at Ericsson”, “Sales Manager at T-Systems” and so on. You get to see all the people, but only in those vague terms.

It is VERY disappointing … I radically support Linkedin (by itself or in comparison with the rest of tools out there), but this time I cannot help them make more money.

I will positively note that the look and feel of the premium account is better. It has a good lay-out, with the important tabs on top (the ones that the basic account has on its left-hand-side column: “Home”, “Groups”, “Profile”) and a better use of the screen space.

Overall my recommendation would be that small firms, independent recruiters, networkers, job seekers … need not to upgrade their account to a Premium service and just take full advantage of the potential of their basic account, which is, by the way, enormous.
 

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All the halfway decent jobs are obtained through nepotism anyway :shaq2:

Paying LinkedIN to make your profile more visible? $29/Mo

Bosses and CEO's giving job vacancies to their unqualified nieces or nephews? priceless
nicely said
 

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Lol RBk cool and all but you say alot of dumb shyt
We tell him this shyt all the time in the Anrdoid thread

FYI my last two jobs have been through LinkedIn

Dude always stubbling on some new information and trying to wow people on here like oh man look what I found :krs:
 
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