God's 12 Biggest d1ck Moves in the Old Testament

[NoMayo15]

You know the big bang theory doesnt answer the question of whether God created the universe or not right?

Yes, but it does demonstrate that the universe doesn't necessitate the existence of a deity ... which was my point.

So why should I believe George Washington existed? Because of writings and pictures?

Actually, yes. I mean, you don't have to, but there is demonstrable more evidence of Washington than God or Jesus.

Anyone that worships an image is not worshiping God . So no there are no images of God.

Okay fine. I don't care to debate what other people believe.

Pick a specific topic.

No, you said you can demonstrate what you've said about Christianity is true. Do it. What do you believe, and why?

 

[Everythingg]

Yes, but NOT AT THE SAME RATE AS THEY DID IN THE PAST.

How do you know?

Of course they would. It's the big book of multiple choice. But you still haven't said why you think there's a God that agrees the things you've chosen in particular.

Its not a big book of multiple choices. As I said, if one reads the bible from beginning to end, they should come at the same conclusion I do. Well, in regards to how we're supposed to behave. Now as for prophecies and stuff, yea that isnt so concrete.

You didnt ask sir. Nonetheless, when you look at the gods of other nations such as Egyptians, Greeks, Romans etc.. They worshiped pantheons. They worshiped creation such as the sun, moon, stars, planets etc... Then the Hebrews come along and worship a Being that says it created those things and says other nations bow down to these things. Thats just one instance

Okay, so what started God?

If something started God, than that something would be God and what you just called "God" in your sentence would not be "God" anymore.

I never said I disagreed with you on this. But you seem to lack a fundamental understanding about science, and about reality. It's not a grand leap to say in the same way science can never disprove X, science can also never disprove God. Put whatever label on it, it's still unproven conjecture.

Some people get all they believe about existence from science so thats why that needs to be said.

 

[Everythingg]

Yes, but it does demonstrate that the universe doesn't necessitate the existence of a deity ... which was my point.

No it doesnt. Because it still doesnt explain what caused the beginning.

Actually, yes. I mean, you don't have to, but there is demonstrable more evidence of Washington than God or Jesus.

What evidence? Writings? Pictures?

Okay fine. I don't care to debate what other people believe.

You asked.

No, you said you can demonstrate what you've said about Christianity is true. Do it. What do you believe, and why?

And I also said pick a specific topic. If you dont want to than.....

 

[NoMayo15]

How do you know?

Have you not realized morals have changed? We are morally superior than generations of the past.

Its not a big book of multiple choices. As I said, if one reads the bible from beginning to end, they should come at the same conclusion I do. Well, in regards to how we're supposed to behave. Now as for prophecies and stuff, yea that isnt so concrete.

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You didnt ask sir. Nonetheless, when you look at the gods of other nations such as Egyptians, Greeks, Romans etc.. They worshiped pantheons. They worshiped creation such as the sun, moon, stars, planets etc... Then the Hebrews come along and worship a Being that says it created those things and says other nations bow down to these things. Thats just one instance

I don't know how this is a response to my question.

If something started God, than that something would be God and what you just called "God" in your sentence would not be "God" anymore.

Okay, so why don't you call the singularity that existed before the big bang God? Why do you personify this being, and claim it cares about our daily affairs, and judges us when we die? You're defining god to be much more than simply the first thing.

Some people get all they believe about existence from science so thats why that needs to be said.

That's because science is the single most reliable method humans have to determine what's true about the world ... not what you do.

 

[NoMayo15]

No it doesnt. Because it still doesnt explain what caused the beginning.

Again, this line of thinking probably doesn't make sense. If you start at the beginning, and ask... what's before the beginning... I mean, that question doesn't make sense if the beginning is the beginning. But you're right, there is no explanation for what happened before everything happened.

What evidence? Writings? Pictures?

Yes, we have autographed writings from Washington, documents he signed or were written about him that were contemporary to his time. Now this doesn't prove he exist w/o any doubt, but historians accept these things as most likely fact. There is nothing like that about God or Jesus. All we have on those are stories about stories. It's hearsay that was, in Jesus' case, wrote several decades after the supposed death of the man.

And I also said pick a specific topic. If you dont want to than.....

Yup...pretty much what I expected.

 

[Everythingg]

Have you not realized morals have changed? We are morally superior than generations of the past.

I disagree.

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I don't know how this is a response to my question.

If you cant understand I guess theres not much else left to say

Okay, so why don't you call the singularity that existed before the big bang God? Why do you personify this being, and claim it cares about our daily affairs, and judges us when we die? You're defining god to be much more than simply the first thing.

Explain the singularity and I'll explain why it is not God.

That's because science is the single most reliable method humans have to determine what's true about the world ... not what you do.

So whys the world getting worse? lol. You would think if what you say is true the world would be in a better place.

 

[Everythingg]

Again, this line of thinking probably doesn't make sense. If you start at the beginning, and ask... what's before the beginning... I mean, that question doesn't make sense if the beginning is the beginning. But you're right, there is no explanation for what happened before everything happened.

Lets say that the beginning was particles smashed together causing a big bang. Well this scenario doesnt eliminate God. Because the question still could be "what CAUSED the particles to smash together"?

Yes, we have autographed writings from Washington, documents he signed or were written about him that were contemporary to his time. Now this doesn't prove he exist w/o any doubt, but historians accept these things as most likely fact.

Im glad you said it doesnt prove he exists. So in other words you would not be able to prove that he existed right?

There is nothing like that about God or Jesus. All we have on those are stories about stories. It's hearsay that was, in Jesus' case, wrote several decades after the supposed death of the man.

Well we have the 10 commandments from God

Yup...pretty much what I expected.

If you expected me to ask you for a specific topic of christianity to discuss, than why didnt you bring one?

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

How do you know?



Its not a big book of multiple choices. As I said, if one reads the bible from beginning to end, they should come at the same conclusion I do. Well, in regards to how we're supposed to behave.

I've read the bible front to back. And it made me think that mass genocide was ok. It made me think that stoning disobedient children, killing witches, marrying my rape victims owning slaves, making women shut the fukk up in church killing people coz god said so, etc was all perfectly ok....

did you come to the same conclusions?

 

[NoMayo15]

Explain the singularity and I'll explain why it is not God.

Describe it? Uhh... okay, it's something like this

So whys the world getting worse? lol. You would think if what you say is true the world would be in a better place.

I don't start with the premise it's getting worse.

 

[NoMayo15]

Lets say that the beginning was particles smashed together causing a big bang. Well this scenario doesnt eliminate God. Because the question still could be "what CAUSED the particles to smash together"?

Sure. But if this event happened at t=0, there is no reason to invoke an entity that caused it. It IS the cause.

Im glad you said it doesnt prove he exists. So in other words you would not be able to prove that he existed right?

No, it's reasonable to agree he existed. I said we can't know with absolute certainty. But we can know to a reasonable degree of certainly.

Well we have the 10 commandments from God

We don't know that God made those commandments or if Moses did.

If you expected me to ask you for a specific topic of christianity to discuss, than why didnt you bring one?

No, I expected you to avoid justifying anything you've said, as you've been doing this entire conversation.

 

[Everythingg]

I've read the bible front to back.

Lets see if the rest of your post shares this sentiment

And it made me think that mass genocide was ok. It made me think that stoning disobedient children, killing witches, marrying my rape victims owning slaves, making women shut the fukk up in church killing people coz god said so, etc was all perfectly ok....

did you come to the same conclusions?

Guess not

 

[Everythingg]

Describe it? Uhh... okay, it's something like this

And what does that mean friend?

I don't start with the premise it's getting worse.

I guess all the knowledge of science doesnt include the fact that day by day we are systematically destroying earth's environment. Or that doesnt matter?

 

[CouldntBeMeTho]

Lets see if the rest of your post shares this sentiment




Guess not

everything i said is in the bible. maybe you're not up on that shyt tho.. I can quote it if you want.

my point being that everyone has a different opinion on the bible. that's why there's so many different splinter groups. That and the bible is bullshyt...

 

[NoMayo15]

And what does that mean friend?



I guess all the knowledge of science doesnt include the fact that day by day we are systematically destroying earth's environment. Or that doesnt matter?

General relativity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_singularity.

Well, when you have people who deny science, and pray that things will get better, then sure, problems like this will exacerbate. But that has nothing to do with whether or not humans are more or less moral than they were in the past ... which is what the discussion was about in the first place.

 

[Everythingg]

Sure. But if this event happened at t=0, there is no reason to invoke an entity that caused it. It IS the cause.

Nope. Because theres still the question of what caused it to do that at t=0. I mean, you can close your eyes and ears to trying to understand that, but there will always be that whole no matter what theories they come up with on what caused the universe to come into existence.

No, it's reasonable to agree he existed. I said we can't know with absolute certainty. But we can know to a reasonable degree of certainly.

So you couldnt prove Washington existed was my question? Since writings/pictures do not count as proof.

We don't know that God made those commandments or if Moses did.

YOU dont know.

No, I expected you to avoid justifying anything you've said, as you've been doing this entire conversation.

Well as I said, pick a specific topic and then we'll continue. If it is something that I said in this thread or another, bring it to the table. If it is a topic you're interested in understanding, bring it to the table. Otherwise we'll leave it at that. Im not the one that is inquiring of something. YOU ARE.