God's 12 Biggest d1ck Moves in the Old Testament

[Everythingg]

In that particular example, anyone who thought the Earth was round might have stumbled upon the right answer, but used bad means to do so. They had no way to justify their claims, and no one would be "right" in accepting their position as fact. I'm not sure there were many people who actually believed in a spherical Earth before the evidence was there, since flat Earth appears more intuitive.

The point is when we're talking about what is most likely true about the universe, it's best to look at the evidence. Most atheists readily admit that there could be a god that exists beyond our knowledge ... it's just not a rational position to take because of the lack of evidence.

I'll ask again.... They werent wrong because there was no proof right?

But again, many people in the past attributed natural occurrences to supernatural beings... they've all been wrong so far.

Explain how people that say God created the universe were/are wrong.

Don't even know what you're talking about here.

Morally, the world is becoming more and more corrupt. We had this discussion before and you (if I remember correctly) disagreed. But the world is on a downward spiral. That should be clear.

Right. God doesn't exist in reality Only in your imagination

So it went from "atheists admit their could be God" to "God only exists in my imagination?

Again, more leaps of faith. Whether or not you acknowledge it, you have no idea what science can/cannot discover.

Yes I do. And they'll never EVER disprove God. Technological aspects? You would be right I have no idea what they'll be able to do. Disproving that God exists? NEVER.

 

[Everythingg]

@Long_Live_The_Kane

You mad brethren?

 

[the cac mamba]

Except the mayans worshiped creation

i dont remeber hearing god demanding human sacrifice in the bible clown

 

[Everythingg]

i dont remeber hearing god demanding human sacrifice in the bible clown

I dont either

 

[the cac mamba]

I dont either

then clearly you and the mayans worship different creators

 

[NoMayo15]

Naturalistic definition: derived from real life or nature, or imitating it very closely. You didnt answer my question at all. I asked why is it MORE LOGICAL to believe that the universe ALWAYS existed over an Intelligent Creator putting it in place?

Occam's razor. We KNOW the universe exists, and it's entirely possible that it always existed. We DON'T KNOW if there was an intelligent creator, although I'll concede it's possible that may be the case. And we also know there didn't HAVE to be intelligence for the universe to exist. So why invent this whole other thing about a supernatural being when things we know about could serve as a reasonable explanation, and the former has no evidence. It's like asking why it's more logical to think you simply misplaced your underpants rather than invisible gnomes snuck into your bedroom late at night and stole them. No one would take you seriously for believing some shyt like that.

I never said because I say something means its true. But the hindus worship idols/demons. I do not

Well you keep making claims, but don't provide any support. How do you know?

How do you determine which is right? I dont know... By reading the bible maybe??

And this is why people laugh at believers. Just because you have a holy book you look to doesn't mean it's right OR your specific interpretation of it is right. It has to be demonstrated.

 

[NoMayo15]

I'll ask again.... They werent wrong because there was no proof right?

I don't understand your question.

Explain how people that say God created the universe were/are wrong.

I don't make that claim, since I don't know. However, there is no denying history, and religious thinking is rarely a pathway to truth.

Morally, the world is becoming more and more corrupt. We had this discussion before and you (if I remember correctly) disagreed. But the world is on a downward spiral. That should be clear.

Compared to what? You mean when slavery was commonplace? When raping women and murdering babies weren't frowned upon, but thought of as the norm? When people were flayed or scalped? Brother and sister marrying was thought as good? What you are talking about is not clear at all. So please, be specific as to what you are talking about? If this was clear, there would be no disagreement. But obviously people DON'T agree with you, so it's not as clear as you think, is it?

So it went from "atheists admit their could be God" to "God only exists in my imagination?

Atheists COULD believe ... with evidence. As far as we can tell, you're just projecting what you THINK is true, and saying god agrees with you. You've already admitted to picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you accept as truth.

Yes I do. And they'll never EVER disprove God. Technological aspects? You would be right I have no idea what they'll be able to do. Disproving that God exists? NEVER.

Okay fine, but that's not what you said earlier. You said science will never be able to explain the origins of the universe. That's quite different from disproving a supernatural being.

But I will agree with you that God claims cannot be disprove. That's because that's not how science works, and you can't disprove a negative. Science can't prove that somewhere tiny leprechauns don't exist, but it's illogical to believe this is the case.

 

[Everythingg]

then clearly you and the mayans worship different creators

Of course

 

[the cac mamba]

Of course

"Except the mayans worshiped creation "

if you worshiped different creators then who was right?

o yea, thats right. you are

 

[Everythingg]

And we also know there didn't HAVE to be intelligence for the universe to exist.

How so?

So why invent this whole other thing about a supernatural being when things we know about could serve as a reasonable explanation, and the former has no evidence.

No not invent. Many different civilizations claimed that beings from out this world came to them other than the Hebrews. To dismiss it all as FALSE because you claim theres no proof is pretty opposite to one accepting proof of George washington. What would you give me if I asked for proof? Pictures? Stories? Writings? We shouldnt believe those right?

It's like asking why it's more logical to think you simply misplaced your underpants rather than invisible gnomes snuck into your bedroom late at night and stole them.

Nice leap there. Hope you didnt hurt anything?

Now to be LOGICALLY realistic you have to take this back. Because believing that the universe was created is NOT the same as believing what you just said. No matter WHAT YOU say?

Well you keep making claims, but don't provide any support. How do you know?

They made images

And this is why people laugh at believers. Just because you have a holy book you look to doesn't mean it's right OR your specific interpretation of it is right. It has to be demonstrated.

If I read a science book, we should come to the same conclusion. If I read a math book, we should come to the same conclusion. Same thing with the bible.

Do you want me to demonstrate why my what I've said about christians is true? I mean I can using the bible but do you REALLY want me to do that?

 

[Everythingg]

o yea, thats right. you are

You said it not me

 

[Everythingg]

I don't understand your question.

Nevermind. I guess it would have been easier had you answered it when I asked.

I don't make that claim, since I don't know. However, there is no denying history, and religious thinking is rarely a pathway to truth.

All religions aint gravy friend

Compared to what? You mean when slavery was commonplace? When raping women and murdering babies weren't frowned upon, but thought of as the norm? When people were flayed or scalped? Brother and sister marrying was thought as good?

All these things are still happening brethren

Atheists COULD believe ... with evidence. As far as we can tell, you're just projecting what you THINK is true, and saying god agrees with you. You've already admitted to picking and choosing which parts of the Bible you accept as truth.

Anybody that reads the bible from BEGINNING to END, would do the same.

I never said God agrees with what I said. But I would say that I agree with what God Almighty said.

Okay fine, but that's not what you said earlier. You said science will never be able to explain the origins of the universe. That's quite different from disproving a supernatural being.

But I will agree with you that God claims cannot be disprove. That's because that's not how science works, and you can't disprove a negative. Science can't prove that somewhere tiny leprechauns don't exist, but it's illogical to believe this is the case.

Its the same thing brethren. Figuring out the origins wouldnt even disprove God For instance ok it was a big bang. Well what started the big bang? Or any other theory that people have on how existence came to be. It would always go to well what started that?

Oh and yea as I said science will never disprove God being the One that brought the universe(s) into existence. No matter how many grand leaps one makes in comparing tiny leprechauns or flying spaghetti monsters, it doesnt change that last sentence.

 

[NoMayo15]

How so?

See Big Bang cosmology.

No not invent. Many different civilizations claimed that beings from out this world came to them other than the Hebrews. To dismiss it all as FALSE because you claim theres no proof is pretty opposite to one accepting proof of George washington. What would you give me if I asked for proof? Pictures? Stories? Writings? We shouldnt believe those right?

No a better comparison would be dismissing alien abductions as false. We can actually talk to people, and read direct reports from individuals who claim to have been abducted by aliens. We don't accept those claims as true, why? Is it because aliens are disproven? No. It's because they haven't met the burden of proof so show that it most likely did happen.

Nice leap there. Hope you didnt hurt anything?

Now to be LOGICALLY realistic you have to take this back. Because believing that the universe was created is NOT the same as believing what you just said. No matter WHAT YOU say?

It's an analogy. We know people sometimes misplace things. We don't know invisible things make things go missing. We can't say 100% for certain that invisible things don't exist ... but it's still illogical to believe they do because ... lack of evidence.

They made images

Okay? And there is no images of God?

Do you want me to demonstrate why my what I've said about christians is true?

YES PLEASE! I'm BEGGING you do this.

 

[Everythingg]

See Big Bang cosmology.

You know the big bang theory doesnt answer the question of whether God created the universe or not right?

No a better comparison would be dismissing alien abductions as false. We can actually talk to people, and read direct reports from individuals who claim to have been abducted by aliens. We don't accept those claims as true, why? Is it because aliens are disproven? No. It's because they haven't met the burden of proof so show that it most likely did happen.

So why should I believe George Washington existed? Because of writings and pictures?

Okay? And there is no images of God?

Anyone that worships an image is not worshiping God .

So no there are no images of God.

YES PLEASE! I'm BEGGING you do this.

Pick a specific topic.

 

[NoMayo15]

All these things are still happening brethren

Yes, but NOT AT THE SAME RATE AS THEY DID IN THE PAST. We have international law, laws about how to conduct war "civilly". They happen, but they are taboo in many cultures... that has not always been the case.

Anybody that reads the bible from BEGINNING to END, would do the same. I never said God agrees with what I said. But I would say that I agree with what God Almighty said.

Of course they would. It's the big book of multiple choice. But you still haven't said why you think there's a God that agrees the things you've chosen in particular.

Its the same thing brethren. Figuring out the origins wouldnt even disprove God. For instance ok it was a big bang. Well what started the big bang? Or any other theory that people have on how existence came to be. It would always go to well what started that?

Okay, so what started God?

Oh and yea as I said science will never disprove God being the One that brought the universe(s) into existence. No matter how many grand leaps one makes in comparing tiny leprechauns or flying spaghetti monsters, it doesnt change that last sentence.

I never said I disagreed with you on this. But you seem to lack a fundamental understanding about science, and about reality. It's not a grand leap to say in the same way science can never disprove X, science can also never disprove God. Put whatever label on it, it's still unproven conjecture.