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The game today isn’t played like it was back then.
Luka has more offensive impact than AD ever did.
Also I need y’all to understand Doncic is an All-Time great in the making he is a legitimate basketball prodigy.
@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem
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Luka has more offensive impact than AD ever did.
Also I need y’all to understand Doncic is an All-Time great in the making he is a legitimate basketball prodigy.
And that’s the exact reason why AD has had minimal success on the teams he’s led; it’s not because he puts up empty stats, it’s not because he’s not one of the most skilled big men in the game, and it’s not because he doesn’t perform well when he needs to.
It’s all about how he can’t control the offense. As is the case for big men, in general. AD can only really be in control of his scoring output when he’s given the ball. He can’t just take over the game and score whenever he wants and needs to, and he can’t create scoring opportunities for his teammates when he wants and needs to. Those things are essentially out of his control.
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Rest In Power Kobe
This is why I hate talking sports on here.
This will now move too, “well why couldn’t Kareem get a three-point shot.
”We go by the evidence we have and not speculation. Being a good passer is not the same as running an offense. For basketball watchers, you all sure do say the most cliché’d garbage.
The other problem with this forum as a lot of you don’t understand words. Impact does not make someone better. Tony Parker had more impact on the Spurs in the mid aughts to early ‘10s than Tim Duncan, but Duncan was still by far the better player.
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KAJ would completely DOMINATE in this era
LMAO
AD HAS HAD MINIMUM SUCCESS BECAUSE
HIS TEAMS HAVENT BEEN GOOD
ESPECIALLY IN THE WEST.
BOOGIE WAS THE ONLY TIME
DUDE HAD ANOTHER LEGIT STAR NEXT
TO HIM AND THAT DIDNT LAST LONG.
AD HAS HAD MINIMUM SUCCESS BECAUSE
HIS TEAMS HAVENT BEEN GOOD
ESPECIALLY IN THE WEST.
BOOGIE WAS THE ONLY TIME
DUDE HAD ANOTHER LEGIT STAR NEXT
TO HIM AND THAT DIDNT LAST LONG.
Dominate is relative.
To what degree would he dominate given that he wouldn't get the same regulairty of post touches in did in the 70s/80s, he wouldn't be playing 40-42+ minutes, he would rarely be on the court when teams go small, teams would be still be priortizing the 3-pt shot when he was on the floor, and he wouldn't have the offensive impact of the likes of Giannis, LeBron, Steph, Luka etc?
You have to remember that big men that dominated during that time would not be able to play the same, today.
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It isn’t controversial at all..
It’s a stupid irrelevant statement thats a whole bunch of apples vs oranges. A statement that only exists to prematurely inflate Luka’s all time standing along the greats.
We can go on and on with this.
Trae Young would have a greater offensive impact than Shaq.
Lillard would have a greater offensive impact than Tim Duncan.
But nobody is bringing that up because it’s irrelevant and stupid.
It’s like saying that Scott Mitchell had more offensive impact than Barry Sanders in 1995 because he accounted for more touches, total yards and total touchdowns.
Technically it’s a true statement. Buts it’s also a stupid statement because it’s made totally outside of context.
But that’s what geeks that never played the game do. They concentrate on data and math and not context.
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Again, what makes jokic more equppied to run an offense than Kareem? Surely you arent gonna say a "3 point shot" like you alluded to.. must be something else. You got to have something better up your sleeves.This is why I hate talking sports on here.
This will now move too, “well why couldn’t Kareem get a three-point shot.
We go by the evidence we have and not speculation. Being a good passer is not the same as running an offense. For basketball watchers, you all sure do say the most cliché’d garbage.
The other problem with this forum as a lot of you don’t understand words. Impact does not make someone better. Tony Parker had more impact on the Spurs in the mid aughts to early ‘10s than Tim Duncan, but Duncan was still by far the better player.
Because Cap never proved he could run an offense like Jokic.
Can you please explain to me how he'd average 35+ points, today, when:
Cap averaged 35 points on 25 shots, averaging 44 mins, in 1972, when the league-average pace was around 110+ possessions
In 2019/2020 the league-average pace is only 101 possessions
From 1973 to 1978 (aged 25-30) he averaged:
30 points in 43 minutes with a league-average pace of 108+ possessions
27 points in 44 minutes with a league-average pace of 108 possessions
30 points in 42 minutes with a league-average pace of 104 possessions
27 points in 41 minutes with a league-average pace of 105 possessions
26 points in 37 minutes with a league-average pace of 106 possessions
26 points in 37 minutes with a league-average pace of 106 possessions
Let me reiterate:
In 2019/2020 the league-average pace is only 101 possessions
In 2018/19 - 100 possessions
In 2017/18 - 97 possessions
There's not a chance in hell that Cap is averaging 35+ points in today's game. No big man, especially one who isn't a prolific 3-pt shooter, is averaging that amount of points.
He wouldn't play enough minutes for starters, he wouldn't have enough shot attempts and touches, defenses would be better at limiting his scoring output, the game is different today where post-ups aren't prioritzied and 3-pt shooting is, and there's a greater talent pool now where Cap wouldn't be playing in every single lineup when he did back in the 70s.
You have all these different specifilized lineups when teams go small and/or have multiple shooters/ball-handlers that Cap would rarely play in.
I mean it speaks volumes that you're hanging your entire argument on box score stats without any ability to contextulize them properly.
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Didn't pan out?
He was one of the main contributors on one of the greatest dynasties in NBA history. Y'all lost when it comes to Draymond, a long, long, time ago.
Kareem played against guys who were forklift drivers, night watchmen and morgue janitors in the off season while Luka plays in the toughest era in NBA history where everyone plays super tough night in and night out and it's impossible to even get a shot off 
I’ve had that yeast infected vaginal orifice on ignore for years nowThis probably isn't even the dumbest shyt @Gil Scott-Heroin has said this week though.Glad I blocked that fakkit.
I would love to kick his moms in her back for bringing that piece a shyt into the world
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These are the top-10 teams in post-up volume:
Every single team except for the 76ers (whose post-up possessions only make up 12.7% of their total offensive possessions) barely use post-ups. This isn't the 70s when teams would use post-up actions on nearly every possession. This is why Cap (or any big man from the past) wouldn't have the same offensive impact in today's league because the game is different where it's centered around PnR and 3-pt shooting.
I don't know why y'all dudes can't understand this.
Every single team except for the 76ers (whose post-up possessions only make up 12.7% of their total offensive possessions) barely use post-ups. This isn't the 70s when teams would use post-up actions on nearly every possession. This is why Cap (or any big man from the past) wouldn't have the same offensive impact in today's league because the game is different where it's centered around PnR and 3-pt shooting.
I don't know why y'all dudes can't understand this.
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