@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem

[Morethan1]

Here he comes with some condescending retort while implying that there is missing context in 3...2...1

Or place the blame on (this stupid website) that he also posts on

 

[75 Others]

Here's what you need to understand.

I'm talking about today's league.

Elite scorers (also prolific 3-pt shooters), who're the main ball-handlers, who run the offense, are naturally going to have more offensive impact than a big man who needs someone to give him the ball, and who're only effective in a certain area of the floor.

Let me just give you an example:

Cap touches the ball five out of 10 possessions, scores 1-2 buckets (two-pointers), and his actions lead to one scoring opportunity for his teammates
Luka touches the ball 10 out of 10 possessions, scores 2-3 buckets (one 3-pointer/one two-pointer), and his actions lead to five scoring opportunities, all the while managing the flow and running of the offense.

That does not make him automatically a better offensive player, and that does not make him a better overall player (defensive impact has to be taken into account) if they both existed in today's league.

i disagree. Luka is doing what he does because he doesn’t have a player calibre of KAJ. You think the ball in even in today’s league would run through Luka or prime KAJ? There a reason why the spurs ran through TD instead of TP who handled the rock more. The lakers ran through Shaq even though Kobe was an elite outside and post player

question: who would have the ball more right now in today’s league: Luka or Anthony Davis??

I disagree on your premise because like you usually do it’s the wrong context.

 

[CHICAGO]

Jordan,kobe,Lebron(ALL did) & Harden.I'd take any of these cats over shaq no impact offensively outside 6-8 feet from the basket ass.

Shaq primary beef with kobe was he hogged and didn't get him the rock.I might take Bird too

SO YOU NAMED 3 WHOLE PPL IN THE HISTORY
OF THE GAME AFTER SAYING.

"A player who can create for himself,score in multiple ways and run an offense(creating scoring opportunities for others) will always have more offensive impact than a big who is only effective in a certain area of the floor and needs someone to get him the rock."



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[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

This board has no respect for big men or the defensive end of the basketball equation. It's remarkable

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

i disagree. Luka is doing what he does because he doesn’t have a player calibre of KAJ.

Luka's style of play would remain the same.

You think the ball in even in today’s league would run through Luka or prime KAJ?.

Well, considering Cap can't handle the ball to initiate the offense, Luka would still be the one who dictates what happens on that end, again, especially in today's league with the emphasis on 3-pt shooting. The game has changed since the 70s/80s when the emphasis was on post-play.

No team is prioritizing post-ups in today's league as they understand the importance and value of the 3-pt shot.

There a reason why the spurs ran through TD instead of TP who handled the rock more. The lakers ran through Shaq even though Kobe was an elite outside and post player

Actually, the Spurs offense didn't always run through Duncan, near the latter stages of their run, it was more so Parker.

But again, there wasn't this emphasis on 3-pt shooting during those times like there is today.

question: who would have the ball more right now in today’s league: Luka or Anthony Davis??

I disagree on your premise because like you usually do it’s the wrong context.

Luka, of course, since he runs the offense and AD doesn't. What exactly do you think you're trying to point out with this shyt?

 

[threattonature]

Here's what you need to understand.

I'm talking about today's league.

Elite scorers (also prolific 3-pt shooters), who're the main ball-handlers, who run the offense, are naturally going to have more offensive impact than a big man who needs someone to give him the ball, and who're only effective in a certain area of the floor.

Let me just give you an example:

Cap touches the ball five out of 10 possessions, scores 1-2 buckets (two-pointers), and his actions lead to one scoring opportunity for his teammates
Luka touches the ball 10 out of 10 possessions, scores 2-3 buckets (one 3-pointer/one two-pointer), and his actions lead to five scoring opportunities, all the while managing the flow and running of the offense.

That does not make him automatically a better offensive player, and that does not make him a better overall player (defensive impact has to be taken into account) if they both existed in today's league.

It's deeper than that though. If there's a KAJ in today's game just him attempting to post up or fight for position would cause a shift in the defense. They'd either have to shade a guy over to try and prevent him from getting the ball, fronting him and shading a guy behind him, or just letting him get the ball and sending a double. Even though only one of those situations have him directly touching the ball they all open the game up and create lanes for other players to get open three point looks or to cut down a lane that otherwise wouldn't be as open due to attention being paid to the post player.

There's a reason even in the 80s that teams with the dominant post games were still able to get a lot of open layups due to gravity of the book men. Now Luka may have a more direct statistical impact on the game due to the ball being in his hands and putting up bigger stats but it wouldn't mean that he's having a greater overall impact.

 

[god shamgod]

SO YOU NAMED 3 WHOLE PPL IN THE HISTORY
OF THE GAME AFTER SAYING.

"A player who can create for himself,score in multiple ways and run an offense(creating scoring opportunities for others) will always have more offensive impact than a big who is only effective in a certain area of the floor and needs someone to get him the rock."



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The game today isn't the same and until the mid 00's bigs dominated basketball so of course there's only a handful of players I can name

Jordan changed the game for wings/perimeter players , before his time everything was primarily ran thru bigs

Kareem,Shaq,Wilt etc COULDN'T catch n shoot,hit mid range j's,be effective on and of the ball,shoot 3's,iso at the top of the key,split a double and find a wide open man off the dribble

It aint hard to understand

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's deeper than that though.

I'm completely well aware it's deeper than that.

If I expounded on everything, fewer folks would read the point I was trying to make. I merely stripped it down to its necessary elements.

If there's a KAJ in today's game just him attempting to post up or fight for position would cause a shift in the defense. They'd either have to shade a guy over to try and prevent him from getting the ball, fronting him and shading a guy behind him, or just letting him get the ball and sending a double. Even though only one of those situations have him directly touching the ball they all open the game up and create lanes for other players to get open three point looks or to cut down a lane that otherwise wouldn't be as open due to attention being paid to the post player.

And yet it would still pale in comparison to the scoring opportunities that Luka provides, as once again, Cap isn't running the offense. Go figure.

There's a reason even in the 80s that teams with the dominant post games were still able to get a lot of open layups due to gravity of the book men. Now Luka may have a more direct statistical impact on the game due to the ball being in his hands and putting up bigger stats but it wouldn't mean that he's having a greater overall impact.

I'm talking about offensive impact here.

And it's less about whatever box score stats Luka manages to accumulate and how much impact he has on that end.

If you clicked on the post in the OP, this is what I was stating:

I've been breaking down AD's game on this board for years now, and have long been trying to get folks to see his standing in the game, during times when nobody a fukk about the Pelicans nor watched their games. Don't come with this nonsense about what's preventing me from understanding his ability and impact.

You wasn't with me shootin' in the gym.

The point is: ball-handlers naturally have more offensive impact than players who don't primarily handle the ball, as they dictate what happens on offense. The only thing that AD has control over is scoring for himself, when the main ball-handler gives him the ball.

For all his skill and ability, he can't run an offense, or to be more specific, he's not used as a piece to run the offense, therefore, he can't control the tempo, playmaking and creating scoring opportunities for his teammates, when his teammates touch the ball, what actions/sets to run, when to generate and capitalize on runs etc. It's why the knock on his game has been centered around his "empty stats" whenever he doesn't make the playoffs, which isn't the case, at all, it's just that his impact and influence only extends so far on the offensive end.

All the impact he has on offense is through scoring for himself when he's given the ball, which as I said, is the same for nearly every single big man who doesn't run the offense, especially big men who aren't prolific from behind the arc, as the 3-ball gives players a impact-bump.

You put a prime Cap in the league right now and give him an identical support cast to Luka's (in relation to position), and he wouldn't be able to have the impact that Luka has on the offensive end.

 

[CHICAGO]

The game today isn't the same and until the mid 00's bigs dominated basketball so of course there's only a handful of players I can name

Jordan changed the game for wings/perimeter players , before his time everything was primarily ran thru bigs

Kareem,Shaq,Wilt etc COULDN'T catch n shoot,hit mid range j's,be effective on and of the ball,shoot 3's,iso at the top of the key,split a double and find a wide open man off the dribble

It aint hard to understand

NOPE

OUTSIDE OF JORDAN
NO ONE CAN DOMINATE THE GAME
LIKE PRIME SHAQ.

THERES A REASON THERES 5 PPL ON
THE FLOOR PER TEAM.

THIS ISNT A 1 ON 1 GAME...

EVERYONE USED TO HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY
AND THE PGS JOB WAS TO GET HIM THE BALL.

JUST BECAUSE THEYRE LETTING
PLAYERS HOG THE BALL
DOESNT MEAN THEIR IMPACT IS GREATER.
IT JUST INFLATES THEIR STATS.



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[livindajetlife]

Why do y’all even argue or anything with this nikka.. he a troll

 

[staticshock]

He's just white . That's all that is wrong with that nikka.

Every good white boy is transcendent in his eyes

he white?

he been calling me nikka for the past few weeks

 

[FabTrey]

fakkity gil thinks KAJ is javal mcgee without the ability to dunk the 2 balls on 2 rims

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This board has no respect for big men or the defensive end of the basketball equation. It's remarkable

I'm not talking about Cap's standing in history
I'm not talking about the defensive end

I'm not ignoring or downplaying any of those things.

My point was centered around what happens on the offensive side in today's league, as it relates to Anthony Davis, and how his offensive impact is limited due to the fact he doesn't control the offense. You know how a lot of folks would suggest that AD has empty stats when he wasn't leading his team to the playoffs or not getting far when he did make the playoffs? Well, it's got nothing to do with him having empty stats, and everything to do with the fact he only has limited influence and impact on offense.

Hasn't that been the most common criticism of AD been that he can't lead a team? Well, it's less to do with his self-ability/skill and performance, and everything to do with him not being able to control what happens on offense. The exact same thing would apply to Cap if he played today.

 

[VegetasHairline]

@Gil Scott-Heroin

HAVE U EVER CONSIDERED SUICIDE?

We're 3 weeks away from 2020. Have you ever considered turning off caps lock?

 

[VegetasHairline]

Or place the blame on (this stupid website) that he also posts on

shyt is funny. Always complaining about the terrible quality of the board but won't stop posting on that same board.