@GilScottHeroin: Luka has a bigger offensive impact than Kareem
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It doesn't really have anything to do with Luka, it's more so to illustrate a point around how big men in today's league have limited offensive impact. Luka was just an example, as was Cap.
You could swap both players out with similar replacements and the point would remain the same.
That's more or less what I'm trying to point out.
If anyone bothered to actually click on that post and read the context behind it, I'm talking about how in today's league, with the emphasis on 3-pt shooting, and how the lead ball-handler (who's also the main scorer) has more impact and influence on offense than a big man does.
Folks have shytted on AD for not being able to lead a team, but it's more to do with the fact that he's a big man, and can't lead a team (on offense) like a LeBron, Luka, Steph etc can.
If you're not the main ball-handler and/or you're not a prolific 3-pt shooter, you're going to have limited impact on offense, today. That's the state of the game now.
I'm watched more tape on Cap than 99% of posters on this board.does he know how good prime Kareem was?!?
Regardless of that, it's not about Cap v. the competition he played, it's about Cap (or any other big man) in today's climate.
And what do Cap's historical feats have to do with him playing in today's league?
@Gil Scott-Heroin why do u hate kareem?
No beef/hate; he's one of the GOATs.
His place in history and what he did during his day is irrelevant to the discussion of what he'd do in today's league.
I'm illustrating a point on how big men like Anthony Davis' impact on offense is limited because he doesn't control the offense. The impact he has on that end is more centered around his own scoring (and that's only when his teammates chose to give him the ball), and less with anything else on that end. What better way to layer that point than to reference arguably the greatest and most decorated big man to ever play the game, and relate it to the impact he'd have in today's league.
Well, for starters, I don't know what the fukk 25 rebounds have to do with the offensive side of things (unless you think those rebounds would be predominantly on the offensive glass). Never mind the fact that it's not even remotely possible to average that amount of rebounds today.
Cap averaged 35 points on 25 shots, averaging 44 mins, in 1972, when the league-average pace was around 108-110 possessions
In 2019/2020 the league-average pace is only 101 possessions
Do you wanna explain to me how Cap would average 40 points in today's league where post-up play isn't as prioritized as it was in the 70s, and guards/wings have more control over what happens, and there aren't as many possessions? Do you really think that Cap would be putting up 25+ shots a game in today's league? Do you really think Cap would be playing 40+ mins in today's league, especially given the regularity of small-ball lineups, where teams use big men who can guard in space and on switches, rather than a traditional center like Cap?
Yeaaaaa this is a hot ass take 
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Lmao that man @Gil Scott-Heroin quoted damn near the whole thread and told ALL YALL pull up 
Right or wrong, I respect it
Right or wrong, I respect it
And let me reiterate my point to anyone that runs up in here and tries to act what I'm stating is blasphemous:Lmao that man @Gil Scott-Heroin quoted damn near the whole thread and told ALL YALL pull up
Right or wrong, I respect it
"If anyone bothered to actually click on that post and read the context behind it, I'm talking about how in today's league, with the emphasis on 3-pt shooting, and how the lead ball-handler (who's also the main scorer) has more impact and influence on offense than a big man does.
Folks have shytted on Anthony Davis for not being able to lead a team, but it's more to do with the fact that he's a big man, and can't lead a team (on offense) like a LeBron, Luka, Steph etc
If you're not the main ball-handler and/or you're not a prolific 3-pt shooter, you're going to have limited impact on offense, today. That's the state of the game now."
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"My point was centered around what happens on the offensive side in today's league, as it relates to Anthony Davis, and how his offensive impact is limited due to the fact he doesn't control the offense. You know how a lot of folks would suggest that AD has empty stats when he wasn't leading his team to the playoffs or not getting far when he did make the playoffs? Well, it's got nothing to do with him having empty stats, and everything to do with the fact he only has limited influence and impact on offense.
Hasn't that been the most common criticism of AD, that he can't lead a team? Well, it's less to do with his self-ability/skill and performance, and everything to do with him not being able to control what happens on offense. The exact same thing would apply to Cap if he played today."
Big men today simply don't have the impact, influence and importance (on offense) that they did in the past.
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If the algorithm didnt disappear for months at a time anytime it was exposed you'd have a point.Lmao that man @Gil Scott-Heroin quoted damn near the whole thread and told ALL YALL pull up
Right or wrong, I respect it
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@Gil Scott-Heroin lol i was messin with you
I understand your point. Basketball used to be inside out
I understand your point. Basketball used to be inside out
It doesn't really have anything to do with Luka, it's more so to illustrate a point around how big men in today's league have limited offensive impact. Luka was just an example, as was Cap.
You could swap both players out with similar replacements and the point would remain the same.
That's more or less what I'm trying to point out.
If anyone bothered to actually click on that post and read the context behind it, I'm talking about how in today's league, with the emphasis on 3-pt shooting, and how the lead ball-handler (who's also the main scorer) has more impact and influence on offense than a big man does.
Folks have shytted on AD for not being able to lead a team, but it's more to do with the fact that he's a big man, and can't lead a team (on offense) like a LeBron, Luka, Steph etc can.
If you're not the main ball-handler and/or you're not a prolific 3-pt shooter, you're going to have limited impact on offense, today. That's the state of the game now.
I'm watched more tape on Cap than 99% of posters on this board.
Regardless of that, it's not about Cap v. the competition he played, it's about Cap (or any other big man) in today's climate.
And what do Cap's historical feats have to do with him playing in today's league?
No beef/hate; he's one of the GOATs.
His place in history and what he did during his day is irrelevant to the discussion of what he'd do in today's league.
I'm illustrating a point on how big men like Anthony Davis' impact on offense is limited because he doesn't control the offense. The impact he has on that end is more centered around his own scoring (and that's only when his teammates chose to give him the ball), and less with anything else on that end. What better way to layer that point than to reference arguably the greatest and most decorated big man to ever play the game, and relate it to the impact he'd have in today's league.
Well, for starters, I don't know what the fukk 25 rebounds have to do with the offensive side of things (unless you think those rebounds would be predominantly on the offensive glass). Never mind the fact that it's not even remotely possible to average that amount of rebounds today.
Cap averaged 35 points on 25 shots, averaging 44 mins, in 1972, when the league-average pace was around 108-110 possessions
In 2019/2020 the league-average pace is only 101 possessions
Do you wanna explain to me how Cap would average 40 points in today's league where post-up play isn't as prioritized as it was in the 70s, and guards/wings have more control over what happens, and there aren't as many possessions? Do you really think that Cap would be putting up 25+ shots a game in today's league? Do you really think Cap would be playing 40+ mins in today's league, especially given the regularity of small-ball lineups, where teams use big men who can guard in space and on switches, rather than a traditional center like Cap?
They said the same about Larry bird, and now a slow white boy is averaging damn near 30/10/10
Kareem would be mvp today my brother. I respectfully disagree with you on this
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this isn’t a controversial statement imo. Kareem is the better player but he can’t run an offense and certainly not at the elite levels Doncic is currently doing.
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Larry and luka are not slow
Kevin love a slow unathletic white dude
Cac media overplayed bird and luka being slow
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Based off what exactly? We saw jokic run an offense and lead the league in touches last year. Why couldnt Kareem do it? He was a good passer just played in a different system and era. With the amount of attention he'd draw? he would open up the court for shooters. Youd either have to double and leave a shooter open or live with the results down low. He'd average 35/15/7 with 4 blks in this era, minimum. Yall tripping with this shyt.
Can’t you see how Larry Bird is different to Cap, my brotha?
Bird is a wing, who can handle the ball; Cap is neither of these things. You can’t compare what Luka is doing to what Cap would do. The climate of today’s league is geared towards guards/wings, and not big men.
How’s Cap supposed to be the MVP today when the game doesn’t prioritise post-ups like it did in the 70s, and more around primary ball-handlers (who carry the scoring and play making load) and 3-pt shooting?
And to further my point about AD: if you placed him back in the 70s, where the inside game was at the center of every team’s offense and big men were the beneficiaries of that, he’d have more offensive impact in that era, than he does today.
