Gil: “MJ was a Bugatti in an era of Honda Civics”

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MJ the only player I seen where his detractors argue that the game and talent pool evolves for every era/generation except his own. every decade the players and talent got better but suddenly stopped at the time when he was winning and then started back up again after he retired.
not saying it stopped when he got there

just that in his era he was the jump forward

he dropped in at a time where the comparable competition was not up to par

as an individual it was true from rookie year & once the bulls caught stride they were clear front runners as a team

it's not as extreme as wilt punching down but it was flat track bully time

shyte picked back up crazy again with the 96 draft

91 to 98 mj & the bulls basically had the stage to themselves

timing has a big impact on the perception of legacies

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I will say that ANT is one of the most explosive athletes in today's game and he's just a base model Jordan, so Gil ain't off but GOAT would still be the premier perimeter athlete today
 
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MJ the only player I seen where his detractors argue that the game and talent pool evolves for every era/generation except his own. every decade the players and talent got better but suddenly stopped at the time when he was winning and then started back up again after he retired.
This isn't the argument, at all.

The game and talent has evolved through every era (yes, that includes during MJ's time), but what makes MJ's situation unique is:

EXPANSION:
When Jordan's Bulls really started to take off it directly coincided with a period of expansion.
In 1988 the NBA added 2 expansion teams (Heat and Hornets). In 1989 they added another 2 expansion teams (Timberwolves and Magic).
Imagine if the NBA decided to add 2 new teams before the start of this season. That would be 2 new teams, who would get to pick at the top of the draft, thus making it harder for the existing bad teams to acquire franchise players, while hurting any franchise players the expansion teams selected by putting them in truly horrible situations.
There would also be an expansion draft, meaning that the 2 expansion teams would get to pick players from existing teams to fill out their roster. Existing NBA teams would get to protect 7 or 8 players, but the rest would all be up for grabs.
How would this benefit a team like the Heat, and a player like LeBron, for example?
Well, the Heat would easily be able to protect all of their top assets, and top young assets, and seeing as their role players are all comprised of veterans, there is very little chance any of their players get drafted in an expansion draft. An expansion team building for the future isn't going to want to select 38 year old Ray Allen, for example, even though he is a key cog for the Heat.
More likely than not, the players being drafted would be key reserve players from young up and coming teams that could potentially serve as threats to the Heat in the future. It would be a huge blow to a lot of those organizations and would stack the deck for a number of years for already established franchises, like Miami.
Now imagine that after there was an expansion draft this off-season, there was another expansion draft next off-season, that would further rob from the middle and lower tier teams, and again, Miami would remain untouched.
So not only are the Heat remaining the same, or possibly getting better by adding more key veterans, but Miami's competition is getting weaker, and talent league wide is getting further diluted.
This is basically what happened for Jordan's Bulls.
There was also another expansion draft in 1995, and it's no coincidence that the Bulls won an NBA record 72 games the year the Grizzlies and Raptors were introduced (even though, as Raptors fans will fondly remember, they beat the Bulls that year).

LUCK:
Now, imagine if the second best player in the NBA other than LeBron who also happens to play on a title contender (Durant) suddenly contracted a life threatening illness and retired well before his time like Magic Johnson did in 1992 (Granted, Magic was a bit older than Durant).
Also imagine the league's best point guard suddenly retired after an injury he could have come back from, well before his time like Isiah did, retiring at only 32 years old (Bye bye, CP3).
Also imagine if a 35 year old legend on a formerly great team's career fell apart due to injuries (Larry, Kobe) and retired.
Now, imagine if a young budding superstar, who might possibly have been LeBron's chief rival died suddenly and unexpectedly (Len Bias and Derrick Rose) before he got a chance to reach his full potential.
Also imagine if the best potential defender of LeBron died in a car accident (Reggie Lewis, Paul George).
So basically, imagine if 2 seasons from now the Heat are the exact same team, playing at the same level. Plus, Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, and Paul George are all out of the league. Combine that with 4 expansion teams in 2 seasons (soon to be 6 in a few more years, right as LeBron is hitting the downside of his prime), sapping a number of future contenders of valuable contributors, while also watering down talent league wide, and you have a mix for LeBron and the Heat to go on one hell of a title hording run.

CONCLUSION:
I think Jordan was GOAT, but no one can deny that he had a hell of a lot of luck on his side.
In a lot of ways he fell into the absolute perfect position. Granted, he had to make the most of it, and while the league was watered down as a whole, making his path to the finals somewhat easier (particularly during the 2nd 3-peat), there were still a couple of really good teams he inevitably had to beat, and he beat them all.
Still, if Magic and Isiah aren't forced to retire. If Larry Legend plays out the remainder of his career with health similar to Kobe, if Reggie and Len don't die, and if so many draft picks and role players weren't robbed from decent teams to fill up expansion squads, things might have been different.
 
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Can someone explain why basketball is the only sport where you get these dumbass hot takes trying diminish what players from previous eras accomplished?

You never hear people trying to shyt on what Jim Brown or Hank Aaron did.
Because old heads started all this with the energy they send out to the current/newer generations.

I don't know why y'all cats continue to play dumb on this.
 

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Can someone explain why basketball is the only sport where you get these dumbass hot takes trying diminish what players from previous eras accomplished?

You never hear people trying to shyt on what Jim Brown or Hank Aaron did.

KLUTCH MARKETING WORKING OVERTIME TO ELEVATE LEBRON TO GOAT LEVEL BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

SO THEY MAKE A CONCENTRATED EFFORT TO DIMINISH THE LEVEL OF THOSE WE ALL KNOW ARE AUTHENTIC GOATS

BECAUSE BRON WOULD BE A DOMINIQUE LEVEL PLAYER AT BEST IN THE 80S-90S

AND GASLIGHTING THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS THE ONLY WAY TO REVERSE THAT NOTION
 
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Nikola Jokic resembles a 80’s-early 90’s type of ball player and he’s a multiple MVP winner in this era so fukk what any of these nikkas talkinbout
I mean, sure, his physique might resemble a throwback-type, but he's anything but.

Cats his size back then couldn't run up the floor for 40-minutes a game during the playoffs, whilst commanding a heavy offensive load. You can't really compare what Jokic is doing either, because he towers over nearly everyone and has mass to move everyone out of the way. Not exactly the same for MJ, who wouldn't be the tallest/biggest, so there'd be other players who're taller/bigger than him with the physical tools to match.

Let's just put it like this - there's more defenders and competition, in general, that could trouble/limit MJ than there are for Jokic.

If Jokic was the same size as MJ, he'd only be getting rotational minutes of a bench player.
 

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I mean, sure, his physique might resemble a throwback-type, but he's anything but.

Cats his size back then couldn't run up the floor for 40-minutes a game during the playoffs, whilst commanding a heavy offensive load. You can't really compare what Jokic is doing either, because he towers over nearly everyone and has mass to move everyone out of the way. Not exactly the same for MJ, who wouldn't be the tallest/biggest, so there'd be other players who're taller/bigger than him with the physical tools to match.

Let's just put it like this - there's more defenders and competition, in general, that could trouble/limit MJ than there are for Jokic.

If Jokic was the same size as MJ, he'd only be getting rotational minutes of a bench player.


PEAK VLADE AVERAGED MORE MPG THAN JOKIC EVER DID

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