Gil: “MJ was a Bugatti in an era of Honda Civics”

[fifth column]

Plus, we have plenty of data that illustrates how the 90s were a uniquely weak decade in NBA history. The effects of rampant expansion on the quality of the league is well documented at this point. shyt, we can see that it was acknowledged in real-time through anecdotal accounts from players, coaches, legends, pundits, fans, etc.

Flabheads with their heads stuck in the sand gotta wake up now.

So this glorified 3 point contest era isn’t weak?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So you are basically saying that MJ dominated his era to the point that everyone else in that era seemed pedestrian to you.

Well, it's not just about that, it's about that he had perfect timing with his success.

He's not having the same amount of success if his career transpired 5-10 years earlier where he had to compete with the Celtics and Lakers at their best, nor when he couldn't take advantage of the expansion boom. It all lined up for him just right.

The question is how is that MJ’s fault?

Who's blaming him?

I'm blaming y'all for overrating him.

Box score stats aside, How does MJ’s advance stats look?

They're the same thing.

Box score stats accumulated under the same conditions are the same as advance stats accumulated under the same conditions.

 

[fifth column]

Well, it's not just about that, it's about that he had perfect timing with his success.

He's not having the same amount of success if his career transpired 5-10 years earlier where he had to compete with the Celtics and Lakers at their best, nor when he couldn't take advantage of the expansion boom. It all lined up for him just right.

Who's blaming him?

I'm blaming y'all for overrating him.

They're the same thing.

Box score stats accumulated under the same conditions are the same as advance stats accumulated under the same conditions.

So MJ is overrated now because he had perfect timing with his career? Is perfect timing something that MJ or anyone is in control of?

MJ was blessed with the huge hands, hang time, elite quickness and coordination, relentlessness but he had to turn all that into what he became. That is what he controlled.

Like I said you are engaging in an exercise in futility. We shouldn’t have to lower the bar for someone to catch MJ, they should have to go above it.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So MJ is overrated now because he had perfect timing with his career? Is perfect timing something that MJ or anyone is in control of?

His career/legacy is overrated because of that.

You and other MJ stans use Bron's Finals record against him despite the fact he had to play against greater competition, with a deeper talent pool, and in tougher play conditions. You drop Bron off in the exact period on that 80s/90s Bulls team, with the same set of circumstances, and then drop MJ off in the exact period of that 00's Cavs team, and I can promise you, you would've been a Bron stan, and all the things you clown him for now, you'd be clowning MJ for.

Like I said you are engaging in an exercise in futility. We shouldn’t have to lower the bar for someone to catch MJ, they should have to go above it.

The bar that MJ had to get over is lower than what other superstars have had to reach. That's just a simple fact of the matter.

 

[fifth column]

His career/legacy is overrated because of that.

You and other MJ stans use Bron's Finals record against him despite the fact he had to play against greater competition, with a deeper talent pool, and in tougher play conditions. You drop Bron off in the exact period on that 80s/90s Bulls team, with the same set of circumstances, and then drop MJ off in the exact period of that 00's Cavs team, and I can promise you, you would've been a Bron stan, and all the things you clown him for now, you'd be clowning MJ for.

The bar that MJ had to get over is lower than what other superstars have had to reach. That's just a simple fact of the matter.

Your whole argument against MJ is all speculation and what ifs. Go play NBA2K breh.

Lebron had ever opportunity to eclipse MJ and fumbled. Lebron is just another failed “next MJ” to be honest which is not such a bad thing. You keep overlooking that Lebron doesn’t have MJ’s mentality so no he wouldn’t have done what MJ did if you “swap” them.

I value players that have extreme competitive drives like MJ, Bird, Magic, AI, Kobe, Duncan, KG, Jokic, Giannis, Butler, Westbrook, Steph, Isiah Thomas etc.. so no I wouldn’t be a Bron stan ever

 

[Reign X]

Nxgga, I bet you weren't even old enough to digest what you were watching when MJ was actually playing, and yet here you are 20 years after the fact, defending a figment of your imagination on some overcompensating shyt, due to whatever mental hangup(s) I do not even care to know, and I'm the try hard here?



You're literally incapable of posting about anything else but MJ, and anything and everything that indirectly concerns him. You do not care about hoops, in any fashion. You're just here to hold onto whatever lie your childhood was, or probably in this case, what it wasn't.

Bu-bu-but I said ticks more boxes as in greater legacy; bu-bu-but I never said anything about better player.

You don't even know what the fukk you're saying at this point.

It's painfully obvious you're not in this to have any legitimate discussion on the matter.

Hilarious that you follow this up by saying you’re a 90’s kid. Does that make you old enough to digest what you saw?

You’re not the only 90’s kid on here and others have watched games back too. But you act like an arrogant a$$hole to people with a differing opinion. Do you got jordan as 2nd greatest player ever or where is he on your list?

Care to explain how that video posted reflects anything to the contrary of him being good going left?

Most of the sequences shown in that video are of him not making shots and/or dribbling himself into trouble.

It's not just the one clip I posted, the game was demonstrative of how much he favored his right hand to create because he wasn't as good with his left (again, this was a sign of the times). The play of him against Divac just emphasized how he should've used his left, but didn't because he felt he wasn't capable in the position he was in. The times that he did/could use his left-hand dribble are when he's using his shoulder to roll off a post-up, or straight off the catch when someone is directly underneath him (as per Ewing dunk), where he can use a first step to straight away get seperation. But actually using his left-hand dribble to break down a defender who's given him space or against set defenders who he needs to navigate around, he wasn't that good.

It's okay to acknowledge something like this, the world isn't going to end for y'all stans just because you do.

Going from he can’t go left to, he can go left but only in these situations. You don’t notice a difference? And that jordan rules clip clearly showed him going left and pulling up which he could do.

 

[fifth column]

Hilarious that you follow this up by saying you’re a 90’s kid. Does that make you old enough to digest what you saw?

You’re not the only 90’s kid on here and others have watched games back too. But you act like an arrogant a$$hole to people with a differing opinion. Do you got jordan as 2nd greatest player ever or where is he on your list?




Going from he can’t go left to, he can go left but only in these situations. You don’t notice a difference? And that jordan rules clip clearly showed him going left and pulling up which he could do.

They should have just stuck with the disingenuous Jordan wasn’t a good 3 point shooter angle instead of this desperate left bs. Jordan went wherever his spots were to score and could dunk with either hand.

 

[aceboon]

Nothing post.

Do Jordan stans put him over bill Russell despite the latter having 11 rings, because of a level of competition argument or not?

for the 3rd time I mentioned detractors and you're talking about stans, reading comprehension is a skill and this is a skill issue we're dealing with here