Gil: “MJ was a Bugatti in an era of Honda Civics”

[Samori Toure]

Top dogs are better too.

The fact you're comparing Barkley (who at one point was the second-best player in the league) to Zion (who's lucky to even be top-20) really says it all.

MJ was extremely fortunate that he had the best support cast out of any superstar, the best coaching staff and his prime years didn't really coincide with the rise of too many other superstars. What happens if MJ had to play the Lakers and Celtics during the 80s instead of the teams he played during the 90s?

Congratulations sir your statement has officially been declared as the dumbest statement in all of Coli basketball history.

When Barkley came into the NBA his Philadelphia team had Hall of Fame Players like Moses Malone and Julius "Dr. J" Erving. He also had NBA stars Mo Cheeks, Andrew Toney and Bobby Jones.

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Now take a look at Michael Jordan's rookie roster. Other than Orlando Woolridge; have you ever heard or seen any of those other dudes?

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To answer your other goofy question: there were plenty of other superstars in the 90. The problem was that Jordan just made them look like Junior high school players. Those 80s teams were lucky that they did not face Jordan with a good supporting cast, because Jordan and Pippen together were lethal and played elite level defense. Other than the Pistons those 80s teams did not frighten anyone defensively.

 

[god shamgod]

what's your goal in downplaying MJ

Dudes just be determined to end the “Jordan mythology”. Jordan has had peers from bird ,magic & zeke say he’s the greatest they ever faced bird called him god. Jerry west said Mike the best player he’s ever seen & he played in the era with wilt,Baylor ,Oscar young Kareem etc.Kobe,lebron,iverson all said he’s the goat. These are nba PEERS not Nike marketing like revisionists like to say

 

[Bboystyle]

Dudes just be determined to end the “Jordan mythology”. Jordan has had peers from bird ,magic & zeke say he’s the greatest they ever faced bird called him god. Jerry west said Mike the best player he’s ever seen & he played in the era with wilt,Baylor ,Oscar young Kareem etc.Kobe,lebron,iverson all said he’s the goat. These are nba PEERS not Nike marketing like revisionists like to say

They praise him when he was in College as well. Forgot who said it but they said he was the best player they ever saw coming out of college.

 

[god shamgod]

They praise him when he was in College as well. Forgot who said it but they said he was the best player they ever saw coming out of college.

Yea , Bobby knight said it before he ever played in the nba but it’s all “mythology” foh man

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

Lebron the goat

 

[Doctor Doom]

We desperately need the NBA to start up again

70% of these posters will disappear, will never be in the game threads, never in the random thoughts/observations threads either

 

[Trojan 24]

The Bulls grinded to the top, they got closer and closer in the late 80s then broke through in 1991. MJ lost to the Pistons 3 years in a row but kept getting better, no quitting, no teaming up with other superstars.

Where is the mythology?

LeGlazers got such brain rot they can't comprehend that the grind from early playoff exist to Champ is the norm. We done with hoe hopping

 

[Samori Toure]

Here is more video on Ron Harper v. Michael Jordan. Harper gave Jordan absolute fits. Also notice that Red Auerbach doesn't care about stuff like efficiency rating. So take that you analytical nerds.

 

[Osmosis]

2004-2024:

--3 out of 30 teams (10%) have been below a .400 winning percentage, overall.

--0 out of 30 teams (0%) were below .300.

If you look at LeBron's prime-say, 2008-2020:

% of teams below .500, overall: 12 out of 30 (40%)

% of teams below .400, overall: 3 out of 30 (10%)

% of teams below .300, overall: 0 out of 30 (worst team was the TWolves at .342 WPCT)

If you look at Jordan's prime 1988-1989 through 1997-1998:

% of teams below .500, overall: 16 out of 29 (55.2%)

% of teams below .400, overall: 10 out of 29 (34.5%)

% of teams below .300, overall: 2 out of 29 (6.9%, Grizzlies .195 WPCT)

Almost half of the league had a win% under 40% in the 1990s

Jordan's Bulls record against expansion teams: 80-11

Pre expansion:

1980-1988:

--4 out of 23 NBA Teams (17%) below .400.

--0 out of 23 NBA Teams (0%) were below .300.

The 90s were big trash time to face the facts flabby heads

 

[fifth column]

Dudes just be determined to end the “Jordan mythology”. Jordan has had peers from bird ,magic & zeke say he’s the greatest they ever faced bird called him god. Jerry west said Mike the best player he’s ever seen & he played in the era with wilt,Baylor ,Oscar young Kareem etc.Kobe,lebron,iverson all said he’s the goat. These are nba PEERS not Nike marketing like revisionists like to say

I don’t think it’s Jordan the player but rather the way MJ attained his greatness that these dudes hate.

MJ is like when someone goes to the store and buy the best ingredients to make a meal. They get home and take their time to season the meat, preheat the oven then make the best tasting meal which is going to take time.

These blind witnesses see their idol Lebron go to the store and buy a insta meal that is microwaveable and easy make but doesn’t taste as good in the end.

They justify this by saying eating microwaved food is quick so it must be an evolution over using the oven that takes so long, therefore it must be better.

Problem is it’s not better for the most important reason, the deliciousness of the food

 

[HabitualChiller]

Lol not great timing, he was just GREAT. What’s so hard about this for you to understand?

Bron has had an insane amount of talent, stacking the deck in a weak ass conference, fukk you nikkas talking about. Who did Lebron have to go through every year in route to 8 straight finals?

Who did MJ have to go through outside of '91?

nikka had a well-balanced squad with a whole second superstar when 50% of the league didn't even have a single legitimate star player.

Sure, Bron has had an insane amount of talent at the top of his rosters, but when you look at who was on the other squad in his losses, I'm not sure how the fúck you can even argue who had the tougher finals opponents.

And, yes, MJ had great timing. Buddy and his team hit their primes at the same time that the Pistons, Lakers, and Celtics fell off. Those Lakers would've given him a couple losses if he had made it in the 80s.

 

[High quality poster]

Who did MJ have to go through outside of '91?

nikka had a well-balanced squad with a whole second superstar when 50% of the league didn't even have a single legitimate star player.

Sure, Bron has had an insane amount of talent at the top of his rosters, but when you look at who was on the other squad in his losses, I'm not sure how the fúck you can even argue who had the tougher finals opponents.

And, yes, MJ had great timing. Buddy and his team hit their primes at the same time that the Pistons, Lakers, and Celtics fell off. Those Lakers would've given him a couple losses if he had made it in the 80s.

Lol the bulls were not that much talented than the teams they faced, meanwhile Lebron was playing with top 5 picks every year, I mean D Wade is the 3rd greatest shooting guard of all time man.

Anthony Davis, Kyrie, Love was statistically speaking a top 5 player the year before he joined Lebron. That Cavs team was better than the warriors pre KD.

 

[Reign X]

The Bulls still lose to the Magic in 95 if Horace Grant still switches sides and the Bulls dont fill that PF spot.

Bulls aren’t signing Ron Harper, ahead of filling pf vacancy if jordan stays. Plus more conditioned Mj, that goes different.

But I do think a 1/1 split is likely between bulls and rockets.

 

[Reign X]

Who did MJ have to go through outside of '91?

nikka had a well-balanced squad with a whole second superstar when 50% of the league didn't even have a single legitimate star player.

Sure, Bron has had an insane amount of talent at the top of his rosters, but when you look at who was on the other squad in his losses, I'm not sure how the fúck you can even argue who had the tougher finals opponents.

And, yes, MJ had great timing. Buddy and his team hit their primes at the same time that the Pistons, Lakers, and Celtics fell off. Those Lakers would've given him a couple losses if he had made it in the 80s.

91 you giving credit for beating pistons and lakers?

89 upset Cavs with best net rating in league.

93 suns won 60 games. Scored same amount of points as bulls in finals.

96 beat two 60 win teams. Shaq & penny, Magic. Then Payton & kemp with detlef, Hawkins and Perkins.

97 and 98 jazz, who Jordan haters try to dismiss. Even though they beat good teams. 97 series was very close overall, within a few points. 98 was as well minus the one big bulls blowout, and you had hurt pippen in g6.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

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