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Gil was a second round pick who worked himself into an allstar caliber player. His career ended because he had a career ending knee injury.
Yall clowns say anything on here.
Gil: “MJ was a Bugatti in an era of Honda Civics”
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Gil was a second round pick who worked himself into an allstar caliber player. His career ended because he had a career ending knee injury.
Yall clowns say anything on here.
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Must be a coincidence that the competition miraculously fell off every time a great dynasty team won multiple chips in a short span
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Jokic won a chip in 2023 though and Luka made it to the finals in 2024 while going through Uber athletic Antman
How come nobody in this gen is that far above their peers then? Mj had the same tech, medicine etc as his peers and managed to rise above.
Thats the question you leave open with that take. He didn't time travel from todays era and play against those people. He was of that era too.
same advantages and disadvantages but still was a on another level.
Thats the question you leave open with that take. He didn't time travel from todays era and play against those people. He was of that era too.
same advantages and disadvantages but still was a on another level.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
Must be a coincidence that the competition miraculously fell off every time a great dynasty team won multiple chips in a short span
Of course.
As building a dynasty is always built off the model of red auerbach. Where red was about total domination.
as an actual science. That extended to present to future.
So when a dynasty is generally created in the nba. They have to have a front office.
that actually Is engineered.
to re-enact components of the red auerbach's dynasty model to win. So in that get down or lay down build to actualization. The rest of the league.
who is populated without similar purposeful auerbach styled management. Will become fodder. Simple as that.
Anyone saying less. Did not study auerbach. Or even know gateway information on people like John Thompson, Bill russell etc. To even the people trying to counter and thwart auerbach like Jerry west as a player and in scheme as an executive.
People wonder why there is jordan.
Fate changed auerbach's plan to keep jordan from winning.
Yet lebron will not stick.
It is because red already figured out.
how to systemically beat the model of player lebron is in Elgin baylor.
Just like how the celts of the eighties did not fear any Frontline. As the rubrick to beat Wilt. Began with red auerbach scouting to defeat Wilt chamberlain.
So that scope and purposeful style if coaching and administration. Was aware, prescient and active.
As early as some would say.
beginnng with Wilt.
being in the eighth grade practicing with the celtics.
So any dynasty is rooted in emulating what red auerbach supplied to the nba. Where in that.. by creating a dynasty. You can only create a dynasty. By enacting upon theories of carni-ism, corporate espionage, planning, execution, purposeful sabotage, etc.
All those factors that play out to create the feel and look during an nba dynasty. Are not by mistake and sheerly by red auerbach design and actualized execution.
in industry and nba professional cultural nature.
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The talent pool is far greater now, which means there's naturally going to be more players competing to be the best, not only numerically, but because they keep pushing one another, in turn, they're making each other better. There was a changing of the guard (no pun intended) when MJ rose to stardom, where you had Cap's career coming to an end, Magic situated up in that House In Virginia, Bird's injuries cutting his prime short etc, that it was perfect timing for MJ to be the one defining megastar of the 90s.
If MJ doesn't retire the first time around, the Bulls most probably would've lost to the Rockets in at least '94 and/or '95, and the perception of MJ being that far above his peers wouldn't be the same.
We've talked about whether the Trail Blazers might have won championships if Sabonis came over in his prime.
Similarly, do you think the Celtics eke out another championship or two if Len Bias survived?
The talent pool might be greater but that really is only about the the bottom half of NBA rosters. The 15th man today is much better than the 15th man back then. The top dog though is not any better or worse. I could get the same out of Barkley as i got out of Zion plus more rebounding. I could get the same out of Hakeem as Jokic plus more defense. Stars are just as good back then are they are now. Is MJ was bugatti compared to other stars. then somebody today can do that do if they play at his level. But outside of Lebron and Kobe nobody else is.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
The talent pool is smaller now because basketball is only rooted in private lessons called aau. With no other outlet or end roads allowed as being viable to ramp players.
So no grassroots built or black top players.
No general public league school kids allowed entry.
No walk on talent without a resume.
no caia players.
no naia players
That your what if scenarios about jordan is flawed...like usual.
Plus..
You mj witch hunt to crown lebron.
Is rooted in the what if scenario.
Instead if being rooted in facts. Which can not be disputed. Of which mj owns all rhe statistical achievement. To stats and advanced metrics. Yet you get amnesia about stats, advanced metrics and analytics. When generally all you generally try to post are stats to make your point. Which is why no one listens.
to a cot Damn thing you say and clown you easily on this site. As this same level of imaginary ideas.
you have about basketball. Are present in every other subforum you failed at as well. Before becoming a refugee to the sports section.
Where you also are the same consistent wack joke.
you are in any other forum.
you posted in and failed at previously.
to the current now as a poster.
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Len Bias and the late Reggie Lewis could've easily been a championship duo in Boston. You even had Nikos Galis (whom many regard as the greatest Euro scorer in history), who if things lined up better for him, he could've easily been part of that too.
Basketball Gods, unfortunately, had other ideas.
Top dogs are better too.
The fact you're comparing Barkley (who at one point was the second-best player in the league) to Zion (who's lucky to even be top-20) really says it all.
MJ was extremely fortunate that he had the best support cast out of any superstar, the best coaching staff and his prime years didn't really coincide with the rise of too many other superstars. What happens if MJ had to play the Lakers and Celtics during the 80s instead of the teams he played during the 90s?
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The Bulls still lose to the Magic in 95 if Horace Grant still switches sides and the Bulls dont fill that PF spot.
Numbers can easily dispute this claim
TF??
Ewing, Olajuwon, Shaq, and David Robinson would like a word with you. Hell even Rik Smits wants to get at you. You didn't see the era and it's obvious so you shouldn't type shyt like this cuz in makes sense in your head.
I don't speak on Wilt, Russell, West, etc cuz I didn't see em play. You young cats should try that. But I'm afraid in this era of hot takes and clap backs it's too late
The shyt that kills me about the younger generation claiming to be more skilled is that traveling has been eliminated so y'all can do these "elite" moves. Can't do a step back without traveling. You nikkas added something called a "gather step" to layups effectively making 3 step layups legal. NONE of you nikkas can consistently make a 15 footer. In the unskilled era, the 12th man was expected to knock down an open mid range. You got bigs today that can only pass the ball by handing it off or it's a turnover. But today's players are more skilled. Yeah OK.