Giannis, Ben Simmons, KP or Joel?

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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
You're willing to take a "better version of Lamar Odom" over a 7ft3 wing; a player who basically has no past-NBA player comparison because he's the first of his kind?

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yep. you talking about today or draft night first of all? revisionist history isnt really my thing. Porzingas went 4th in his draft. KAT being # 1 was not a bad pick. Okafor may not have been, but his same team got Embiid and Simmons. yeah, he is ballin now but I am talkin draft night. those are my picks in that order, which would fall right in line with the 2015 draft, just replace DLo and Oak with Giannis and KP.
 
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synistr said:
yep. you talking about today or draft night first of all? revisionist history isnt really my thing. Porzingas went 4th in his draft. KAT being # 1 was not a bad pick. Okafor may not have been, but his same team got Embiid and Simmons. yeah, he is ballin now but I am talkin draft night. those are my picks in that order, which would fall right in line with the 2015 draft, just replace DLo and Oak with Giannis and KP.
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Except Giannis went 15th in his draft.

The OP is obviously talking about who you would take right now to start a franchise. How could you possibly be going on draft night, when they aren't all from the same class, and like Giannis for example who was still unknown on a large scale when he was drafted? And yet you say "revisionist history" isn't your thing?
 
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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
You don't agree with what exactly?

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None of them have proven anything yet.

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How so, when he can't shoot, and isn't particularly effective without the ball? If any player can fit into ANY system it's Porzingis, by a country mile - he's the best off-ball player out of the four, can shoot from anywhere on the floor (off-the-dribble and catch-and-shoot), and can guard multiple positions (his rim protection was near-equal to Gobert's last season).

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What makes you say this? He's averaging basically 30 ppg at 22, while dealing with more defensive attention than any of those four (on par with Giannis). What makes Simmons and even Giannis closer to being 1st options on contenders when neither of them have Porzingis' shooting ability, and are much more easier to gameplan for - especially Simmons?

Unless Simmons develops a jumpshot, he'll NEVER be a #1 on a contender. NEVER.

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What in the hell are you even talking about?

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I did say Simmons may not ever be the 1st option on a contender, perhaps you misread. :snoop: you act as if you dont know what I am talking about but I am talking about championships, for which your roster should be built...as the OP questions. I really dont care how much KP is averaging on the Knicks. Last time I checked, Mailman was 2nd leading scorer in history. Also, last time I checked Odom had 2 rings.

We are talking championships here, not necessarily who may end up being the most glorified player. Even then I am picking Embiid. revisionist history is cool and all but nobody was thinking of picking KP any higher than 4th in 2015. but you think somehow in a draft with Embiid and Simmons he goes before them? the only player he would go before is Giannis because we saw where he was actually picked. didnt NYK fans boo the pick even? so with the 4 players mentioned in this thread, not so sure even up to this point why KP would be clearcut over them.

you funny though breh. you wasnt talkin this shyt a few months ago when he almost got traded for Devin Booker.
 
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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
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Except Giannis went 15th in his draft.

The OP is obviously talking about who you would take right now to start a franchise. How could you possibly be going on draft night, when they aren't all from the same class, and like Giannis for example who was still unknown on a large scale when he was drafted? And yet you say "revisionist history" isn't your thing?
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oh, my bad homie. lets see, right now?

Embiid, Simmons, KP, Giannis.

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Premeditated said:
out of the three, Simmons has the most room for improvement, but he's already killing it his first playing season.
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this...

Simmons isnt as good as them yet, and that's why people are doubting him in this thread. he is a rookie. this is KP 3rd year and Giannis 5th. Simmons jumper is going to get better and when it does watch out.
 
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synistr said:
I did say Simmons may not ever be the 1st option on a contender, perhaps you misread. :snoop:
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You didn't frame your post properly, which is why I got mixed up with who you were talking about. Especially since I asked you a specific question, why you put Porzingis last, and you type out a reasonably long post, and the only words it seems which addressed my question were - "because I dont agree that he does. I just dont." - I asked you a specific question about Porzingis and that's all you gave me.

My bad on misreading, but next time try and answer the question instead of going off on a tangent.
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you act as if you dont know what I am talking about but I am talking about championships, for which your roster should be built...as the OP questions.
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The OP clearly states - "Which of these freaks of nature You taking if you had to start a franchise?"

Which means, which player would pick to be your #1 option/centerpiece, not who would be suitable as a 2nd option or sidepiece.
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I really dont care how much KP is averaging on the Knicks. Last time I checked, Mailman was 2nd leading scorer in history. Also, last time I checked Odom had 2 rings.
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Last time I checked Odom was never classified as a player you'd "start a franchise" with. He was a role player. Malone was a #1 option. The OP is asking you, who you would start your franchise with. I hate Malone to no end; I despise his game and everything about him, but if I had to choose between him and Odom as a centerpiece, I'd pick Malone every time.
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We are talking championships here, not necessarily who may end up being the most glorified player..
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I suggest you go and look at the OP again.
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Even then I am picking Embiid. revisionist history is cool and all but nobody was thinking of picking KP any higher than 4th in 2015. but you think somehow in a draft with Embiid and Simmons he goes before them? the only player he would go before is Giannis because we saw where he was actually picked. didnt NYK fans boo the pick even? so with the 4 players mentioned in this thread, not so sure even up to this point why KP would be clearcut over them.
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Are you being serious right now? The OP is clearly talking about who you'd choose right now to start a franchise with. Why the hell would he be talking about them before they even played in the league? How does that make sense to you that he'd even mean that? I'm sure @Low Post Like Hakeem can clarify, that he made this thread based on who you'd choose right now, based on what we've seen from them in the league so far. Not based on from before they entered the league.
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you funny though breh. you wasnt talkin this shyt a few months ago when he almost got traded for Devin Booker.
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I was hyping up Porzingis last season. What the hell are you talking about? What do trade rumors (that I have no control over) have to with me evaluating players?
 
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Gil Scott-Heroin said:
You didn't frame your post properly, which is why I got mixed up with who you were talking about. Especially since I asked you a specific question, why you put Porzingis last, and you type out a reasonably long post, and the only words it seems which addressed my question were - "because I dont agree that he does. I just dont." - I asked you a specific question about Porzingis and that's all you gave me.

My bad on misreading, but next time try and answer the question instead of going off on a tangent.

The OP clearly states - "Which of these freaks of nature You taking if you had to start a franchise?"

Which means, which player would pick to be your #1 option/centerpiece, not who would be suitable as a 2nd option or sidepiece.

Last time I checked Odom was never classified as a player you'd "start a franchise" with. He was a role player. Malone was a #1 option. The OP is asking you, who you would start your franchise with. I hate Malone to no end; I despise his game and everything about him, but if I had to choose between him and Odom as a centerpiece, I'd pick Malone every time.

I suggest you go and look at the OP again.

:dwillhuh:

Are you being serious right now? The OP is clearly talking about who you'd choose right now to start a franchise with. Why the hell would he be talking about them before they even played in the league? How does that make sense to you that he'd even mean that? I'm sure @Low Post Like Hakeem can clarify, that he made this thread based on who you'd choose right now, based on what we've seen from them in the league so far. Not based on from before they entered the league.

:dwillhuh:

I was hyping up Porzingis last season. What the hell are you talking about? What do trade rumors (that I have no control over) have to with me evaluating players?
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yeah I mean shouldnt it be obvious the premise was what theyve done based off the playing in the league so far
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