Giannis, Ben Simmons, KP or Joel?

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did you see the dream shake and euro step last night? I'm pretty sure Embiid can play a completely finesse game, he doesn't have to though because he has other skills. But more finesse does not equal more skilled. You just admitted KP was one dimensional but you're trying to say he's more skilled than the player with more dimensions lol.

jojo gets to those moves off the muscle
it's not just off of clean execution it's because nobody is gonna reach in on that big motherfukker muahahahahaa
jojo is kinda rough with his bag of tricks he gets them off yeah but it leans more on his strength

kp is heading more towards the kd end of the spectrum of glitches 7ft wings if anything
once again jojo is some 2k shyt forsure it's no shade
but him and kp are eating with different sets of tools that shyt is clear as day when you watch them play

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nikkas thinking jump shooting automatically makes you more skilled even though Embiid can shoot himself. Who has the better post moves, counters, footwork? Who can play with their back to basket and face up?

I guess Reggie Miller was more skilled than Michael because he was a better 3 point shooter lol.

You keep discounting athleticism
Jordans freakish first step and massive hands played into his other attributes.
Stop it.
nikkas imitate Jordans moves and shots religiously....you know what made Jordan Jordan?....his combination of skill and athleticism
Embiid is a freak of nature physically. In the vain of the shaqs. He's not supposed to be that light on his feet and strong while being overweight

 

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nikkas thinking jump shooting automatically makes you more skilled even though Embiid can shoot himself. Who has the better post moves, counters, footwork? Who can play with their back to basket and face up?

I guess Reggie Miller was more skilled than Michael because he was a better 3 point shooter lol.

okay to be specific i'm talking on the perimeter kp is above jojo
like i said kp makes his toast from outside in
jojo has a supremely ill complementary face up game but he makes his donuts in the paint

comprende¿

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[ISO]

at the Ben Simmons hate

fukk y’all nikkas

 

[Drip Bayless]

nikkas thinking jump shooting automatically makes you more skilled even though Embiid can shoot himself. Who has the better post moves, counters, footwork? Who can play with their back to basket and face up?

I guess Reggie Miller was more skilled than Michael because he was a better 3 point shooter lol.

KP can create his own shot on the outside, the best Embiid has got outside of the post is the spot up 3 or quick midrange J. Not even discrediting him but it's clear KP is the more skilled player, so naturally he has a higher ceiling. When he gets his weight up the post work will come naturally, Embiid is not gonna get perimeter shot creating skills that easy. Athleticism plays a bigger factor in Embiid's game then it does KP's. I guess was Shaq better than Michael cause he was bullying nikkas in the paint?

 

[acbjr22]

KP can create his own shot on the outside, the best Embiid has got outside of the post is the spot up 3 or quick midrange J. Not even discrediting him but it's clear KP is the more skilled player, so naturally he has a higher ceiling. When he gets his weight up the post work will come naturally, Embiid is not gonna get perimeter shot creating skills that easy. Athleticism plays a bigger factor in Embiid's game then it does KP's. I guess was Shaq better than Michael cause he was bullying nikkas in the paint?

this dude is saying that a dude with a face up game and midrange jumper can't create his own shot lmao. Embiid can also drive, use ball fakes and get his defender off balance from the triple threat position. WTF are you talking about bruh?

 

[mastermind]

This thread just tells me the NBA is in its Golden Era and its about to last a long time.

 

[Absolut da poet ®]

This thread just tells me the NBA is in its Golden Era and its about to last a long time.

All great young players...

And... I just saw that missed dunk by Kyle Kuzma from last night... Wow...

That is without a doubt the best missed dunk ever

Praise be to Yaweh ...he missed it...lol





Could have been the best dunk ever




Might have to add him on this list

 

[surv2syn]

@Gil Scott-Heroin

I can reasonably defend everything I said.

Lets start with Odom. I dont know how old you are, but I remember when Odom came out of HS. I remember when he played at URI. He went pro after 1 year of college, and he was viewed as a special player because of his versatile skill set. You say he is not a player you would pick to be the cornerstone of a franchise, yet that is just what the Clippers did by selecting him 4th overall, ironically, the same spot KP was picked. Odom was a hugely successful player and won 2 rings. You think the Lakers wouldve won those chips without him? Lamar Odom was a very good player, and I said Simmons will be a BETTER version of him. I dont think Simmons is the next Lebron...but I do think he is can be a better Odom...which is damn good. He is in the vein of Pippen, LBJ, versatile players, I am just not ready to put him in that class yet.

All you think about is scoring. You dont have to be a #1 scoring option to be a cornerstone of a franchise. Simmons is a player that can do it all, yet he may not ever be a #1 scoring option on his team. #1 option doesnt necessarily mean who gets you buckets all the time. It means the person who the offense runs through, point blank. Simmons wont lead the Sixers in scoring as long as Embiid is there...hell, one day Covington can avg more points than Simmons. Simmons is that dude though. The offense will go through him every single time he is on the floor.

Now, getting to the OP, based off of what they have done so far. I am still taking Simmons over KP. Thats just my choice, but see if this reasoning makes sense...

Kristaps is not much older than Simmons so thats a wash, but he has been in the league 2 years longer. So he has broken out this year. Simmons, small sample size, but projects to continue is having a historic rookie season. So after a couple more years in the league, why is it hard to believe that he will be a franchise player and better than KP? If Simmons didnt have Embiid then he would be the best player on his team without a doubt. The fact that he does have Embiid...and you always have to disclaimer it...if they stay healthy, they will be better than the Knicks faster....and will likely soon have two top 10 players on the same team.

I know why everyone is enamored with KP, its because he can shoot. Thats really what he has over the others. I dont think that automatically makes him better moving forward. I will say with the way the game is played today it does suit KP favorably and he can be integrated into any system. I am not downing KP, just giving my opinion of who I would select TODAY. I like guys like Simmons that you can place other guys around that can score better than he can and you dont have to worry about that affecting his game.....it would actually enhance it.

 

[I.V.]

NAH THAT WAS ON A DRIVE FROM THE 3P LINE.

BRON GOT PHYSICAL WITH HIM
AND GAVE HIM A COUPLE OF 2 HANDED SHOVES ON THE DRIVE
AND KP WENT UP FOR AN OFF BALANCED LAYUP
AND GOT BLOCKED.

HIS MISTAKE WAS USING HIS RIGHT HAND
INSTEAD OF HIS LEFT
ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BASKET.



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He blocked an attempt at a pull-up.

A locked in LeBron is the worst matchup for Porzingis, he doesn't have enough quickness to create separation or go by him, and LeBron so strong, that he knocks KP off balance. But that's okay. You're not often going to be guarded by LeBron. They should have been creating motion for him, and using a PnR with Hardaway. Or had him trying to catch it a little lower, and flip a hook up over LeBron. 18 feet out, guarded by LeBron is the worst position for KP on the court in that scenario.

But the coach has to recognize that, and create some motion with a play or two. Jeff let them play, and the offense collapsed. It's all good, they're young. Another summer of weight training and it's going to get harder and harder for a strong SF to hold KP down.

 

[Drip Bayless]

this dude is saying that a dude with a face up game and midrange jumper can't create his own shot lmao. Embiid can also drive, use ball fakes and get his defender off balance from the triple threat position. WTF are you talking about bruh?

Can y'all nikkas read
I said he can't create his own shot from the perimeter, which is factual. All that shyt you mentioned is good money in the paint, but on the outside he only good for the spot up 3

 

[surv2syn]

I thought most agreed that Booker for KP would be borderline disastrous for the Knicks. I don't recall many Knicks fans on board with that trade.

I disagree. It wasnt looking like a bad trade WHILE Phil WAS THERE, which iirc is when it was being mentioned. KP didnt seem to be happy with the situation at all and the Knicks were trying to figure out if they were going to keep Phil. Had they kept Phil, KP wouldve been gone. Statistically, it may had looked like a bad trade if he were in a Suns uniform and playing like he is playing now, but the qualifier is team success and ultimately championships so we cant speak on any of that right now. I think Booker is going to be a great player and wouldve been great for the Knicks. I wouldnt say it would have been disastrous. Then again, it may have been Phil's willingness to deal KP that was the final straw.

 

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at the Ben Simmons hate

fukk y’all nikkas

ikr. all these guys are great, and through KAT in there too. also, I am liking the way Wiggins game is starting to develop. but Simmons just started playing in the league, these other guys got 3-5 years on him. Embiid hasnt played much but he has had about 3 years of weight training and doesnt look like he did at KU. Simmons is a baby, hasnt even gotten his feet wet good.

 

[MR. Conclusion]

According to this thread KP doesnt have much of a post game and does his damage from the perimeter.

The coli.com yall.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Those are not facts. You are wrong. Porizingis is definitely the most skilled player out of the four of them.

Porzingis is more skilled than Simmons, Giannis and Embiid.

If this isn’t the most casual “he’s tall and he can make 3s so of course he’s more skilled” take. Atrocious @Gil Scott-Heroin