Ghanaian bodybuilder with minimal equipment puts us all to shame aesthetically

[Bboystyle]

Nah, it doesn't prove your point because you don't know if he is natural. His word is not good enough. The fact he is in Ghana is meaningless. Also, those people you say you have seen turn into beast in 2 years....how many of them were 194 lbs at 5'8" and 6% bodyfat? And can you guarantee me that they were not taking hormone affecting medications like steroids, pro-hormones, HGH, TRT, or peptides? Taking people at their word is meaningless. His weight and bodyfat percentage is equivalent to the top true-natural bodybuilders in the entire world. People who have been training for 10-20 years to reach their genetic maximum. People who have access to the top nutrition and training advice and coaching.

Dr. Layne Norton is one of the most respected natural lifters on the planet (assuming he is natural). He is 2 inches taller and his competition weight is around 194. So this Ghanian acquired thick, dense muscle in greater mass in 2.5 years than Layne Norton has in his entire life?

Former Mr. Olympia and steroid user Frank Zane had a competition weight of 185 lbs at 5'9"....he was probably at 3% BF for competition, so his weight at the BF% level of the Ghanian would be about 194 lbs. So the Ghanian has as much lean mass at 1 inch shorter than a man considered to have one of the greatest physiques of all time?

Top-respected muscle building mind Lyle McDonald has a well thought out, reasoned, and tested formula to determine maximum genetic potential:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html

If Mr. Ghana truly is 194 lbs and his BF% is around 6, he would be at near the peak of natural human potential. In 2 years.

I respect your opinion breh and u are right,i do not know 100% for sure if they or anyone else i know has not taken any hgh or steroids for their gains. But what i do know is that 2 years is a lot of time and if u are serious about body building then achieving that type of physique isnt impossible. It may be rare according to you but not impossible. Even so, a few cases is still hope and proof for others.


with that said,i still stand by my portion comment and system.

 

[HowardHughes]

I respect your opinion breh and u are right,i do not know 100% for sure if they or anyone else i know has not taken any hgh or steroids for their gains. But what i do know is that 2 years is a lot of time and if u are serious about body building then achieving that type of physique isnt impossible. It may be rare according to you but not impossible. Even so, a few cases is still hope and proof for others.


with that said,i still stand by my portion comment and system.

taking steroids in africa


some of u nikkas dont know these west africans this mfkers be built like a brick house by 18 nd never steppin foot in the
gym


granted if they do go gym ud be like at how easy they get buff.

 

[Bledswole]

Its really tough to say because of the lack of perspective. Can't really tell exactly how big he is there. Has his weight been posted? If he is over 190 at that leanness, then I would say almost 100% he is not natural. I'm sorry people....but lets stop being fooled. You all know the reality of the shyt yet you still put on the blinders and WANT to believe. People acting like the fact that he is in Ghana must mean he can't get a cycle? Or peptides? Or pro-hormones? Legit HGH alternatives are one-click away and not that expensive. Pro-Hormones are as easy as shyt to acquire and perfectly legal. But I'm supposed to take people's word for it?

How many people on this forum look even remotely close to this guy? (let me help..the answer is ZERO) Do you guys think he works THAT much harder than you? Do you think his Ghana diet is superior to yours? Do you think his Ghanian Black genes are that much superior to your American Black genes? I aint even trying to be a hater, I want to believe it too. But how many people here have tried to diet down to sub 10% bodyfat (a TRUE number, not a guesstimate). That shyt is not easy, and at the levels that this guy is at (6% maybe?) that is not maintainable whatsoever for the long term. Perhaps his photo shoot coincided with a contest preparation? Maybe he did a full sodium/carb depletion and then a load for the photo shoot? Nobody walks around that big and shredded. I'm sorry, they don't.

Need to see his weight though before I would be willing to take a true stand on it. Everything about his shape screams not natural though. His shoulders, quads, his hard dense muscle, his incredibly low BF%.







bboystyle you are a good poster but a lot of your posts in this Gym subforum are ridiculous. You kind of come off with that "I read this is in a magazine" vibe or that "I fell for a diet salesmans pitch" vibe. Sorry to be rude about it, didn't want to call you out. I just think you have a lot to learn. You got on my watch list when you dissed calorie counting in the "beginning weight loss" thread and then advocated portion control (aka calorie control) . I take that shyt personal.

Feel free to neg me for calling you out publicly, I won't neg back

He's 196 at 5'8 that lean in 2 years with that much mass

I dont think he's naturual honestly

 

[Serious]

He's 196 at 5'8 that lean in 2 years with that much mass

I dont think he's naturual honestly

But they don't hear you though.....

 

[Bledswole]

But they don't hear you though.....

Unless he unlocked a secret code to this shyt, its impossible to be that heavy at 5'8 and that fukking lean, its impossible IDC about him being in african heat or none of that and on top of that he's not even eating that clean lol, he worked his ass off for sure, but natty? No way

 

[bouncy]

Unless he unlocked a secret code to this shyt, its impossible to be that heavy at 5'8 and that fukking lean, its impossible IDC about him being in african heat or none of that and on top of that he's not even eating that clean lol, he worked his ass off for sure, but natty? No way

What's eating clean? I'm not starting shyt but, maybe my idea of clean is wrong.

 

[Adam3000]

But they don't hear you though.....

People are trippin over this Africa shyt like it means something

I'm not gonna start back up the debate, I got a novel written on this already tonight, but he aint living in the Amazon in some remote jungle tribe. DHL delivers to his house just like they deliver to America. Its probably EASIER to get drug coctails there due to lack of regulation (just a guess). But even if it aint easier, its still easy. The internet works everywhere. We are all one click away.

 

[Serious]

breh ive seen people turn to beast in two years and the fact that he confirms he has only been working out for 2.5 years proves my point. You are truly under estimating the time of two years. If someone works out 6 days on one off they can reach more goals then your typical 3 on 4 off. And calorie counting is a good method but its not necessary. And with portion control u do not count calories at all. Your just eat clean foods breh. There's proof behind it and i posted the video of it as well. There's books for it as well. I dont talk out my ass breh. I dont calorie count and i've made very nice gains. So again, it's not necessary to count calories. Its just a universal way. And i wouldnt neg a breh for different opinions. Not that i can anyways

Stopped reading here, look man I know you're a health professional and all, but don't ever try to school me or anyone else on this bs again....

 

[Serious]

I've made tremendous gains working out solo for 3 years with a shyt diet, but still....

nikka could be natural, but I doubt it given his resources and situation.

Yeah exactly hypothetically let's say duke is natural, miss me with the dude is African rhetoric, his diet would have be prestige and high tailored( very expensive) and would have extensive background in nutrition or someone in his camp does, and these are one of many things that depend on if all the variables in play go as planned or dude could have easily rode his bike to the gym instead of walked

I can see this is slowly turning into a game of mental gymnastics....

 

[bouncy]

Yeah exactly hypothetically let's say duke is natural, miss me with the dude is African rhetoric, his diet would have be prestige and high tailored( very expensive) and would have extensive background in nutrition or someone in his camp does, and these are one of many things that depend on if all the variables in play go as planned or dude could have easily rode his bike to the gym instead of walked

I can see this is slowly turning into a game of mental gymnastics....

Again not starting any shyt but, how would his diet have to be expensive and prestige?

 

[Adam3000]

What's eating clean? I'm not starting shyt but, maybe my idea of clean is wrong.

The idea of 'eating clean' is kind of a hot button topic in the bodybuilding and powerlifting world nowadays

It is used regularly by nutritionists and dieticians to denote a diet full of lean protein, monounsaturated facts, fiber, and complex carbohydrates. I'm sure your definition matches that.

The controversy comes from mountains of scientific evidence, logical thinking, and anecdotal proof that "clean" carbohydrates are a myth. Calorie controlled studies inevitably show equal or statistically insignificant differences in weight loss between people eating complex carbohydrates vs. people eating sugar or 'processed' carbs (STRESSING: CALORIE CONTROLLED STUDIES)

It gets even more controversial when you get into the topic of bulking and building muscle though. I don't have the energy or desire to get into that and all of that complex physiology.

The basic premise of it all is that any differences physiologically that occur during the day due to carbohydrate sources are negated during sleep. So if you eat a lot of sugar that your body uses to add to its fat stores during the day, it will then not have as much free floating energy still pumping throughout your blood during sleeptime and it will dip right back into these newfound fat stores when you sleep at night balancing it all out. Whereas if you you eat complex carbs that are still floating around in your bloodstream rather than being stored as fat, this will be your body's source of nighttime energy. In the end, sugar or sweet potatoes, as long as there is an energy balance (calories in vs. calories out) there is not statistically significant difference in measured body composition.

 

[GunRanger]

People are trippin over this Africa shyt like it means something

I'm not gonna start back up the debate, I got a novel written on this already tonight, but he aint living in the Amazon in some remote jungle tribe. DHL delivers to his house just like they deliver to America. Its probably EASIER to get drug coctails there due to lack of regulation (just a guess). But even if it aint easier, its still easy. The internet works everywhere. We are all one click away.

people acting like a guy who's on instagram every day doesn't have access to other things.



Layne isn't natural btw


The general rule of thumb:

Natural
Mass
Shredded

choose 2

 

[b_priest9mm]

I'm gonna have to hit the roids, brehs.

 

[bouncy]

The idea of 'eating clean' is kind of a hot button topic in the bodybuilding and powerlifting world nowadays

It is used regularly by nutritionists and dieticians to denote a diet full of lean protein, monounsaturated facts, fiber, and complex carbohydrates. I'm sure your definition matches that.

The controversy comes from mountains of scientific evidence, logical thinking, and anecdotal proof that "clean" carbohydrates are a myth. Calorie controlled studies inevitably show equal or statistically insignificant differences in weight loss between people eating complex carbohydrates vs. people eating sugar or 'processed' carbs (STRESSING: CALORIE CONTROLLED STUDIES)

It gets even more controversial when you get into the topic of bulking and building muscle though. I don't have the energy or desire to get into that and all of that complex physiology.

The basic premise of it all is that any differences physiologically that occur during the day due to carbohydrate sources are negated during sleep. So if you eat a lot of sugar that your body uses to add to its fat stores during the day, it will then not have as much free floating energy still pumping throughout your blood during sleeptime and it will dip right back into these newfound fat stores when you sleep at night balancing it all out. Whereas if you you eat complex carbs that are still floating around in your bloodstream rather than being stored as fat, this will be your body's source of nighttime energy. In the end, sugar or sweet potatoes, as long as there is an energy balance (calories in vs. calories out) there is not statistically significant difference in measured body composition.

Well I know for a fact there is a difference. I went through all types of shyt growing up, and I had to figure out what was happening to me. I didn't just read all of this but lived it, and I can tell you your body doesn't treat both the same, in the long run. I could tell you when I ate processed food it would fukk me up, and come to find out it was type 2 diabetes. Once I started eating complex carb like beans, rice, oatmel,etc. no problem. This was over 20 years of me putting two and two together. When it came to weight loss, i noticed the same thing. I went from fat, to skinny, to muscular, to fat, to muscular again. That is why I can tell you the ends and outs of food, I lived the pain, and pleasure from it. I can even tell you when is the best time to eat certain foods, i had to figure the shyt out if I wanted the best effects.

But, we will go back, and forth, all day so it's no need to argue because i can't prove it to you unless we actually knew each other. You came at me with respect so, I will give it back. Peace to you.

 

[Adam3000]

Well I know for a fact there is a difference. I went through all types of shyt growing up, and I had to figure out what was happening to me. I didn't just read all of this but lived it, and I can tell you your body doesn't treat both the same, in the long run. I could tell you when I ate processed food it would fukk me up, and come to find out it was type 2 diabetes. Once I started eating complex carb like beans, rice, oatmel,etc. no problem. This was over 20 years of me putting two and two together. When it came to weight loss, i noticed the same thing. I went from fat, to skinny, to muscular, to fat, to muscular again. That is why I can tell you the ends and outs of food, I lived the pain, and pleasure from it. I can even tell you when is the best time to eat certain foods, i had to figure the shyt out if I wanted the best effects.

But, we will go back, and forth, all day so it's no need to argue because i can't prove it to you unless we actually knew each other. You came at me with respect so, I will give it back. Peace to you.

Key words in my post were calorie controlled so any single individuals personal anecdotes aren't really relevant, since it has been shown time and time again that people are not reliable reporters of their own dietary intake and activity levels. Often under-reporting calorie intake by as much as 50% and over-reporting activity expenditure by as much as 50%. I'm gonna pretend you didn't mention diabetes for a second, and ask you if you know what your daily calorie intake was over those years of your life where you fluctuated in weight? If you are like 99.99% of the population, the answer is no. Just a thought, ignoring the insulin resistance issue.

That being said, diabetes is a whole different ballgame. Obviously when talking about carbs, diabetes has its own set of guidelines. So I'm not dismissing what you are saying, I'm just trying to speak in terms of how it affects otherwise healthy individuals and why the term "clean" is thought of as a joke by some people

I am still open to new information. Its always coming and thoughts are always evolving.