GGG-Canelo Master Discussion Thread

[reservoirdogs]

Triple G is tailor made for Canelo. He's slow, comes forward, doesn't retreat. Canelo has fast hands, is quicker in general, and is a natural counter puncher. Triple G is going to be walking into; jabs, right hands, check hooks up top, and hooks to the body. I think if Canelo can pull counter uppercut G clean he may hurt him. That's how Brook hurt him and he doesn't have near the power of Canelo/

Totally agree with this
I think many people overlook or ignore the thing that Canelo (and fighters in his style usually) is at his best when he faces come forward fighters with leaky defense. Is GGG on a higher level than the likes of Angulo or Kirkland? Sure, but the tendency stays.
We can't ignore the fact though that Canelo will be also ahead of Golovkin but that's not certainly means good for him cause Golovkin likes to corner his opponents or push them to the ropes, if someone stands his ground and fights back Golovkin often steps back in straight lines to reload and remeasure distance, he doesn't like inside fighting. He has a prefered range and direction and he sticks to that. Just like Kovalev, Klitschko or plenty of other EE fighters. Monsters in tgeir preferred range and direction but pretty much unable to adapt.

Now Canelo sometimes takes out minutes to lay on the ropes, something I don't advise him against Golovkin but otherwise he rather stands his ground and uses a decent block and good upper body and head movement to avoid shots.
So Golivkin is a good style matchup for Canelo and I think wgen it comes to brawling, Canelo's superior combinations, handspeed and defense will ve tge deciding factors in his favor.
I'm pickin Canelo by UD or a late TKO.

 

[David_TheMan]

GGG fight against Brook and jacobs has some of you fooled. Those 2 are better boxers than Canelo.
Canelo been fighting bums and no-hopers since Floyd and its going to be exposed when he faces GGG.
I had been hoping we would not see him gas, but this man said he got tired fighting Chavez, thats a terrible sign, especially for some of you who thought it was getting down to 154 that was causing him to fade.
Another thing is his style, you can't be GGG with Canelo's size laying back and trying to counter in spurts and going to the ropes and leaning back trying to counter, it won't work. Jacobs had length on GGG he could sit back out box him and make GGG have to come in, and he had the size and skill to take that and he had legit power to make GGG say, I'm not just running in there. At 160 and I would say 154 as well Canelo doesn't have that type of one punch power.
GGG should be able to use his jab to pressure Canelo, and because of Canelo's laziness I don't see him staying out of range, I see him trying to load a counter over the jab and failing or attempting to maybe switch and hook over the jab all of which will leave him open to the body for GGG which will have him stopped late.

If Id saw a change in style or better stamina I think Canelo could implement a pressing forward gameplan to neutralize GGG and make him go back and work him on the inside, but I don't think he has the mentality for it.

GGG KO later rounds

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Triple G is tailor made for Canelo. He's slow, comes forward, doesn't retreat. Canelo has fast hands, is quicker in general, and is a natural counter puncher. Triple G is going to be walking into; jabs, right hands, check hooks up top, and hooks to the body. I think if Canelo can pull counter uppercut G clean he may hurt him. That's how Brook hurt him and he doesn't have near the power of Canelo/

Canelo, still, takes entire chunks of rounds off. He will not and can not move all night. He is not Brook, he is not Jacobs. GGG is going to fill all of Canelo's downtime with power punches. GGG struggles with movement. Canelo turns into stone every time he needs to catch his breath, which is often. GGG comes forward, but he comes forward behind his jab, which is better than Canelo's, constantly. Canelo's periods of inactivity will get longer and longer as the fight goes on with GGG dealing out more and more punishment.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Canelo, still, takes entire chunks of rounds off. He will not and can not move all night. He is not Brook, he is not Jacobs. GGG is going to fill all of Canelo's downtime with power punches. GGG struggles with movement. Canelo turns into stone every time he needs to catch his breath, which is often. GGG comes forward, but he comes forward behind his jab, which is better than Canelo's, constantly. Canelo's periods of inactivity will get longer and longer as the fight goes on with GGG dealing out more and more punishment.

Nah, GGG relies on forward momentum, he likes the best when his opponent backs down in a straight line so he can follow them to the ropes and unload his bombs on them. Golovkin actually doesn't like fighting in the middle of the ring so much. If somebody stands before him and avoiding his shots + countering he's in trouble cause he has to move forward in order to keep up his momentum and he isn't about fighting on the inside so he has to push the reset button and try again with his offense.

Canelo can't move all night from him but I don't think that what he wants to do. He will stand in front of Golovkin but he has the better defense, hand speed and upper body movement so he will have the better off those exchanges. Golovkin ain't a one punch KO artist either so Canelo doesn't have to be THAT careful that he shouldn't even trade with him. As long as he doesn't give Golovkin his forward momentum and winning the exchanges i the middle of the ring, he is good.

A lot of you misunderstand Canelo as a fighter. He won't move away from Golovkin because he usually doesn't do that. He doesn't really fight from the outside only if he really has to. He likes to fight mid range and sometimes on the inside.

Really the most important things for Canelo is to not get tired halfway and not to do that "laying on a ropes for a few minutes" shyt here. If he can solve those he got this.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Really the most important things for Canelo is to not get tired halfway and not to do that "laying on a ropes for a few minutes" shyt here. If he can solve those he got this.

We've been saying that for years. That's the point. We know the answer to this question now.

Canelo just fought at basically whatever weight he wanted to, against an opponent not doing anything, and he looked worse with his stamina than ever before. Canelo takings breaks is not a question any longer. It's an absolute. He can not keep up a high activity rate. GGG's biggest weakness is something he is physically incapable of.


GGG can't hit his left hook to the body on a moving target to save his life, but when someone is inactive he spams it like a kid in a videogame. He is going to punish Canelo over and over again, for longer instances as the fight goes later.

 

[reservoirdogs]

We've been saying that for years. That's the point. We know the answer to this question now.

No we don't. His stamina keeps improving, and he also does that rope shyt to lure out his opponents from their shell and counter them. He doesn't HAVE to do it. He chooses to do it. Watch his last truly good win v Cotto. He never did that shyt there cause Cotto wasn't there to survive so Canelo didn't have to lure him and Canelo's tank also seemed better there. think he's aware of his mistakes and on big fights he pays more attention to correct them.

 

[GzUp]

GGG fight against Brook and jacobs has some of you fooled. Those 2 are better boxers than Canelo.
Canelo been fighting bums and no-hopers since Floyd and its going to be exposed when he faces GGG.
I had been hoping we would not see him gas, but this man said he got tired fighting Chavez, thats a terrible sign, especially for some of you who thought it was getting down to 154 that was causing him to fade.
Another thing is his style, you can't be GGG with Canelo's size laying back and trying to counter in spurts and going to the ropes and leaning back trying to counter, it won't work. Jacobs had length on GGG he could sit back out box him and make GGG have to come in, and he had the size and skill to take that and he had legit power to make GGG say, I'm not just running in there. At 160 and I would say 154 as well Canelo doesn't have that type of one punch power.
GGG should be able to use his jab to pressure Canelo, and because of Canelo's laziness I don't see him staying out of range, I see him trying to load a counter over the jab and failing or attempting to maybe switch and hook over the jab all of which will leave him open to the body for GGG which will have him stopped late.

If Id saw a change in style or better stamina I think Canelo could implement a pressing forward gameplan to neutralize GGG and make him go back and work him on the inside, but I don't think he has the mentality for it.

GGG KO later rounds

I was getting worried that I wasn't the only one seeing it like this, spot on.

That counter everyone is hoping canelo to land won't be there.

GGG is going to jab and throw left hooks to the head and body.

After the fight is over posters will look back and say canelo was overrated and fought bums and no-hopers like u said.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Canelo, still, takes entire chunks of rounds off. He will not and can not move all night. He is not Brook, he is not Jacobs. GGG is going to fill all of Canelo's downtime with power punches. GGG struggles with movement. Canelo turns into stone every time he needs to catch his breath, which is often. GGG comes forward, but he comes forward behind his jab, which is better than Canelo's, constantly. Canelo's periods of inactivity will get longer and longer as the fight goes on with GGG dealing out more and more punishment.

Well see! It'll be a fun fight for us, the fans.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I was getting worried that I wasn't the only one seeing it like this, spot on.

That counter everyone is hoping canelo to land won't be there.

GGG is going to jab and throw left hooks to the head and body.

After the fight is over posters will look back and say canelo was overrated and fought bums and no-hopers like u said.

Come up with your own opinion breh

 

[GzUp]

Come up with your own opinion breh

My opinions basically mirror what he said

We can't Co sign posters now? Lol

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Canelo, still, takes entire chunks of rounds off. He will not and can not move all night. He is not Brook, he is not Jacobs. GGG is going to fill all of Canelo's downtime with power punches. GGG struggles with movement. Canelo turns into stone every time he needs to catch his breath, which is often. GGG comes forward, but he comes forward behind his jab, which is better than Canelo's, constantly. Canelo's periods of inactivity will get longer and longer as the fight goes on with GGG dealing out more and more punishment.

That is why @Newzz and I were saying it would be in Canelo's best interest to hire world class nutritionist and strength coach to help in his camp.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Lemieux has very good power maybe p4p, Stevens has good power for the weight class, and Danny has above average power but nothing insane.

Last time, only time, i've seen Canelo rocked was his fight vs the lesser Cotto @David_TheMan posted the gif a few weeks ago.

I was wrong on the Kirkland fight. I thought I remembered Canelo getting his legs buckled once when Kirkland had him on the ropes. Rewatched and Kirkland was landing, but Canelo wasn't seriously hurt, more just tired from the pace of the fight.

Agree that Canelo has proven very durable, I just believe GGG's chin has been proven more as he has been in with Lemieux, Jacobs, and Stevens who I think all three are bigger punchers than anyone Canelo has fought.

 

[Newzz]

Chin is ggg

Footspeed is ggg

 

[Newzz]

GGG fight against Brook and jacobs has some of you fooled. Those 2 are better boxers than Canelo.
Canelo been fighting bums and no-hopers since Floyd and its going to be exposed when he faces GGG.
I had been hoping we would not see him gas, but this man said he got tired fighting Chavez, thats a terrible sign, especially for some of you who thought it was getting down to 154 that was causing him to fade.
Another thing is his style, you can't be GGG with Canelo's size laying back and trying to counter in spurts and going to the ropes and leaning back trying to counter, it won't work. Jacobs had length on GGG he could sit back out box him and make GGG have to come in, and he had the size and skill to take that and he had legit power to make GGG say, I'm not just running in there. At 160 and I would say 154 as well Canelo doesn't have that type of one punch power.
GGG should be able to use his jab to pressure Canelo, and because of Canelo's laziness I don't see him staying out of range, I see him trying to load a counter over the jab and failing or attempting to maybe switch and hook over the jab all of which will leave him open to the body for GGG which will have him stopped late.

If Id saw a change in style or better stamina I think Canelo could implement a pressing forward gameplan to neutralize GGG and make him go back and work him on the inside, but I don't think he has the mentality for it.

GGG KO later rounds

Canelo's win over Lara > any win GGG has



Matter fact, Lara is > any one GGG faced

 

[David_TheMan]

Canelo's win over Lara > any win GGG has



Matter fact, Lara is > any one GGG faced

While I think Jacobs, won.
I would say the Jacobs "win" is better than Canelo's Lara "win"

I think Lara and Jacobs won their fights respectively