GGG-Canelo Master Discussion Thread

[David_TheMan]

What about custom and sig?

I'm good with just the avi

 

[Black_Jesus]

Canelo doesn't have the work ethic or style to give GGG problems.

 

[R=G]

Atlas clowning GGG's opponent list and how he ain't top 10 p4p

 

[krackdagawd]

"He rips open his shirt and there is no Superman" Atlas on ggg

 

[H.I.M.]

Atlas clowning GGG's opponent list and how he ain't top 10 p4p

The like/dislike ratio on the video

When he was nitpicking at some of Wilder's flaws the internet claimed he was spitting gospel...now he's back to being a old drunk that doesn't know what he's talking about

A supposedly washed up Cotto walked thru one of GGG's career best wins as if he was a low grade journeyman...and shyt like this isn't supposed to raise red flags about his level of comp

Or the fact that the 1st opponent that he faced that can be considered semi-elite, he arguably lost to.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Atlas clowning GGG's opponent list and how he ain't top 10 p4p

If you strictly take P4P by best recent/relevant wins then he has an argument, although even by that argument Golovkin has a stronger cae to be P4P since he beat Jacobs but it's also a good question how good Jacobs count.

I care less and less about P4P lists btw. As opposed to divisional rankings, P4P rankings can be as biased as they come. Most of the writers don't even break down what are the criteria they put their rankings together. You can just guess it but the answer is mostly that they put it together by bias.

If I do P4P lists I like go, not exclusively but mainly by resume cause think that's the most objective, of course not totally objective but more objective than eye tests.

 

[R=G]

If your dominant and beating ranked contenders, you should be inching in that top 20. Hopkins was easy because he was on top for years...Mosley dethroned De la hoya...Roy was unstoppable in his 20s...its not that hard.

 

[GzUp]

If you strictly take P4P by best recent/relevant wins then he has an argument, although even by that argument Golovkin has a stronger cae to be P4P since he beat Jacobs but it's also a good question how good Jacobs count.

I care less and less about P4P lists btw. As opposed to divisional rankings, P4P rankings can be as biased as they come. Most of the writers don't even break down what are the criteria they put their rankings together. You can just guess it but the answer is mostly that they put it together by bias.

If I do P4P lists I like go, not exclusively but mainly by resume cause think that's the most objective, of course not totally objective but more objective than eye tests.

I could be wrong but I remember Atlas having spence in his pound for pound list and Spence has fought who?

 

[reservoirdogs]

I could be wrong but I remember Atlas having spence in his pound for pound list and Spence has fought who?

Kell Brook

Brook as a welterweight win is arguably better than any Golovkin win in his career.
It's really only the Jacobs win which we can put next to it but P4P wise Brook was regarded higher than Jacobs. Spence beat Brook in his own weightclass. He beat a top 3 welter in a welterweight which is possibly the strongest division out there right now

I don't start an argument now about whether we can put Spence on P4P lists yet or not I just say that if one puts together the list based on the best recent/relevant wins then Spence has an argument. I hardly can mention 10 fighters with better wins (which are still relevant) than stopping Brook in welterweight

 

[GzUp]

Kell Brook

Brook as a welterweight win is arguably better than any Golovkin win in his career.
It's really only the Jacobs win which we can put next to it but P4P wise Brook was regarded higher than Jacobs. Spence beat Brook in his own weightclass. He beat a top 3 welter in a welterweight which is possibly the strongest division out there right now

I don't start an argument now about whether we can put Spence on P4P lists yet or not I just say that if one puts together the list based on the best recent/relevant wins then Spence has an argument. I hardly can mention 10 fighters with better wins (which are still relevant) than stopping Brook in welterweight

It was before brook.

 

[reservoirdogs]

It was before brook.

never mind then

that's some stupid shyt

 

[H.I.M.]

If Atlas had GGG losing to Jacobs....that's enough of a reason to leave him off his P4P list entirely.

The same way some don't acknowledge that Ward is p4p #1 (or even top 3-5) because they don't count the Kovalev victory...when, if you count the "official" victory, he clearly has the best case to be p4p #1...compared to others who have been listed as p4p #1 that i've seen.

 

[GzUp]

never mind then

that's some stupid shyt

Atlas: Why I left GGG off my pound-for-pound list
1. Vasyl Lomachenko
2. Terence Crawford
3. Andre Ward
4. Keith Thurman
5. Sergey Kovalev
6. Roman Gonzalez
7. Guillermo Rigondeaux
8. Canelo Alvarez
9. Manny Pacquiao
10. Errol Spence Jr.

 

[GzUp]

Teddy is too emotional plus he's a drunk.

That combination is

 

[David_TheMan]

Teddy is a piece of shyt whose whole career was riding the coattails of either Cus and Rooney, Steward, or other trainers.