GGG-Canelo Master Discussion Thread

[Scottie Drippin]

If Atlas had GGG losing to Jacobs....that's enough of a reason to leave him off his P4P list entirely.

The same way some don't acknowledge that Ward is p4p #1 (or even top 3-5) because they don't count the Kovalev victory...when, if you count the "official" victory, he clearly has the best case to be p4p #1...compared to others who have been listed as p4p #1 that i've seen.

Anyone doing that is a ho and I don't like Ward by any means. Can you point out who in the media is doing this so I can disregard their opinions forever?

 

[reservoirdogs]

Thurman has nothing to do with Porter at the time, you cant use fights after the fact to bolster someone's resume.



Quillin had wins over Winky Wright, Hassan N'Dam, Gabe Rosado. and a draw with Andy Lee.
Porter had wins over Devon Alexander, Paulie Malignaggi, Julio Diaz, and a draw with Julio Diaz.




Porter did not have a stronger resume than Quillin....:forreal:



Again, Jacobs beating Quillin in 1 round > Brook having a tough fight with Porter, so that would mean GGG's win over Jacobs > Spence's win over Brook..........PLUS GGG has KOd Kell Brook already in under 15 minutes too just to clarify things even further.

Putting Winky Wright' name there doesn't add anything to his resume, that was just like Canelo's win over Mosley or Swift's wins over Morales and Zab. Big names on paper but everybody knew they were washed and were used as stepping stones for these young prospects.

Shawn Porter was (and still is) a better quality fighter than Peter Quillin in a much better division
with his best win at the time, Devon Alexander trumping Quillin's best win (N'dam)

So I guess I agree to highly disagree breh, whatever what you say I won't ever consider Peter Quillin as a better win than Shawn Porter.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Anyone doing that is a ho and I don't like Ward by any means. Can you point out who in the media is doing this so I can disregard their opinions forever?

Dan Rafael is the big one. He still denies the possibility that Ward could have even won.

 

[Scottie Drippin]

Dan Rafael is the big one. He still denies the possibility that Ward could have even won.

 

[Newzz]

Putting Winky Wright' name there doesn't add anything to his resume, that was just like Canelo's win over Mosley or Swift's wins over Morales and Zab. Big names on paper but everybody knew they were washed and were used as stepping stones for these young prospects.

Shawn Porter was (and still is) a better quality fighter than Peter Quillin in a much better division
with his best win at the time, Devon Alexander trumping Quillin's best win (N'dam)

So I guess I agree to highly disagree breh, whatever what you say I won't ever consider Peter Quillin as a better win than Shawn Porter.

They are equal wins, bc Quillin & Porter are similar level fighters, but Jacobs KO in 1 win over Quillin > Brook's close win over Porter, which means GGG's win over Jacobs > Spence's win over Brook.



Plus GGG also KOd Brook in 5 rounds as well, less than half the time it took Spence to do so. So, I don't agree with Spence's win over Brook is better than any win that GGG has......unless we went soley off the fact that Spence's win was a clear win over Brook, while GGG's was a suspect win over Jacobs.

 

[reservoirdogs]

They are equal wins, bc Quillin & Porter are similar level fighters, but Jacobs KO in 1 win over Quillin > Brook's close win over Porter, which means GGG's win over Jacobs > Spence's win over Brook.



Plus GGG also KOd Brook in 5 rounds as well, less than half the time it took Spence to do so. So, I don't agree with Spence's win over Brook is better than any win that GGG has......unless we went soley off the fact that Spence's win was a clear win over Brook, while GGG's was a suspect win over Jacobs.

1. In my opinion, in my eyes there's clearly a level difference between Quillin and Porter to Porter's gain, but whatever if you don't agree on that... then I really can't convince you but you won't convince me either, in my eyes Porter is clearly the better quality fighter out of the two.

2. Spence beat brook in Brook's real weight class while GGG beat him as a seasoned middleweight.
Beating a welterweight as a welterweight is more impressive than beating a welterweight as a career middleweight

if let's say Golovkin would jump to 175 ad would get beaten by Kovalev then that would be a less impressive win than if Canelo would beat him in middleweight for example

 

[Newzz]

1. In my opinion, in my eyes there's clearly a level difference between Quillin and Porter to Porter's gain, but whatever if you don't agree on that... then I really can't convince you but you won't convince me either, in my eyes Porter is clearly the better quality fighter out of the two.

2. Spence beat brook in Brook's real weight class while GGG beat him as a seasoned middleweight.
Beating a welterweight as a welterweight is more impressive than beating a welterweight as a career middleweight

if let's say Golovkin would jump to 175 ad would get beaten by Kovalev then that would be a less impressive win than if Canelo would beat him in middleweight for example

1. Both are B fighters in their weight classes...saying "better quality" is subjective because they are both B fighters in their respective divisions.
2. So you think Lamont Peterson's win over Amir Khan was more impressive than Canelo's win over Khan?

 

[reservoirdogs]

1. Both are B fighters in their weight classes...saying "better quality" is subjective because they are both B fighters in their respective divisions.
2. So you think Lamont Peterson's win over Amir Khan was more impressive than Canelo's win over Khan?

1. I get that breh but would you argue that the quality of that middleweight division was anything close to that welterweight division? Some divisions are deep some are very shallow. I follow 11-12 divisions so pretty much from 122 up and also some more notable fighters from lower divisions and out of that 12 divisions middleweight was arguably the worst at that period of time while welterweight was simply the best.

2. I don't know about that cause Peterson's win was highly questionable but if he'd win a little more convincingly like just winning 2 rounds more then yeah I'd say w/o a doubt that it was more impressive. Especially that Khan was more of a thing the than when he fought Nelo. Also Peterson is the only fighter who - even if controversially - could beat Khan on points that's also impressive on a way cause he debunked the myth that Khan outboxes everyone and can't be beaten only if he gets KOd because of his whack chin.

 

[Newzz]

1. I get that breh but would you argue that the quality of that middleweight division was anything close to that welterweight division? Some divisions are deep some are very shallow. I follow 11-12 divisions so pretty much from 122 up and also some more notable fighters from lower divisions and out of that 12 divisions middleweight was arguably the worst at that period of time while welterweight was simply the best.

2. I don't know about that cause Peterson's win was highly questionable but if he'd win a little more convincingly like just winning 2 rounds more then yeah I'd say w/o a doubt that it was more impressive. Especially that Khan was more of a thing the than when he fought Nelo. Also Peterson is the only fighter who - even if controversially - could beat Khan on points that's also impressive on a way cause he debunked the myth that Khan outboxes everyone and can't be beaten only if he gets KOd because of his whack chin.

1. Yes, I think Middleweight is a weak division, but that still doesn't mean I cannot see the talent/skill level in Peter Quillin & same for Shawn Porter. No matter if Welterweight was a wasteland, Porter would still be a B fighter at 147...he would just be the best of a bad bunch (i.e. Crawford is an A fighter at 140, regardless of the rest of the division being weak). I have both Porter & Quillin as B level talents, so saying 1 or the other is "better" is only subjective to me. At the end of the day, I put Jacobs crushing Quillin in 1 over Brook going 12 and getting a competitive decision over Porter.
2. So you don't hold Peterson's win over Khan as more impressive than Canelo's over Khan. That's how I feel about GGG smashing Brook in 5 rounds in comparision to Spence making him submit in 11. Yeah, division to division is cool, but GGG got him outta there before halfway thru the fight. That's impressive, especially considering Brook isn't a small fighter at all. Yeah, it was his 1st fight at 160, but he wasn't undersized or blown up in the least bit. He just got destroyed for his efforts

 

[FrankyFourFingers]

Putting Winky Wright' name there doesn't add anything to his resume, that was just like Canelo's win over Mosley or Swift's wins over Morales and Zab. Big names on paper but everybody knew they were washed and were used as stepping stones for these young prospects.

People like to discredit this win but i thought it was a solid test at the time, considering nelos age against mosleys experience. Mosleys fight before this one was pacquiao and floyd had fought him 2 fights before. Youd have to discredit both their wins as well. I thought it was a good test.

PLUS GGG has KOd Kell Brook already in under 15 minutes too just to clarify things even further.

He didnt ko him tho. If u want to keep it a buck he wasnt even hurt when they stopped it. I know what you mean tho, he was definately to tough for his own good. He was giving GGG problems tho.

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Dan Rafael is the big one. He still denies the possibility that Ward could have even won.

He holds grudges against fighters who give him the

His GGG & Kovalev knob slobbering is awful

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

Jacobs' win over Quillin > Brook's win over Porter....which makes a win over Jacobs > a win over Brook going by your best win matrix, especially considering GGG beat them both

except you felt little g LOST to danny. so in your own opinion little g's best win came over a blown up welterweight. and yes....spence dominating brook at his natural weight is much more impressive than little g beating him at 160. even though he was getting boxed the fukk up and losing on the cards when the fight was stopped.


a win over a blown up welterweight doesn't mean JACK shyt. canelo cartel members don't even bring up canelo's win over khan cause we already knew what the outcome would be. as far as legacy, it did nothing for canelo. just like little g's victory over brook didn't do shyt for his legacy. it was a money grab, plain and simple. little g's only victory over a legit TOP middleweight came over danny jacobs. and the truth is he lost that fight. that's just the facts.

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

The aura of this fight reminds me so much of the lead up to Tito vs BHop. The Young bull against the "aged" Veteran. Tito KO'ing Joppy and BHop not looking "great" against Holmes. The media, the fans, even some of the hardcore fans not giving BHop any chance. The fight to make Tito "A Legend". Then the bell rings... Tito finds out what it is to fight a skilled Middleweight with Middleweight experience. In this case with Canelo vs GGG, I see Canelo coming in having these dominant performances against Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez Jr where he looks like a Million Bucks but the substance of the opponents are . GGG on the other hand while isn't fighting "Names" has been fighting top ranked Middleweights on a more consistent basis and is coming off fighting the #1 ranked guy under him. While Canelo has finally moved up to 160 (a bit over due) I don't feel he's really acclimated himself to the weight in the sense of fighting other top level Middleweights before fighting the #1 in the Division (ala fighting a David Lemieux as prep leading into a GGG fight instead of Chavez Jr). I think people are HEAVILY over looking how undersized Canelo's gonna be against someone who is not just a big puncher but also a very experienced fighter dating back to his AM days. The experience that Canelo has over GGG is fighting under the "big lights". If Canelo was someone who had really good movement, could clinch, more authoritative jab than GGG, and was evenly sized or bigger I'd actually pick Canelo (who I admit has a bit of a speed advantage). But the more I look at this fight I see GGG dominating him with the jab which is gonna throw off a lot of Canelo's timing when he tries countering. I think the pace will be an issue too as we ALL know Canelo's gas tank isn't the greatest. I think Canelo's gonna look good early, landing some pretty looking combos but I think as the fight progresses he's gonna start to feel the brunt of the punishment and doesn't have the mobility needed to evade GGG's consistency. I think Nelo gets stopped in 9-10 rounds. Good Big Man Beats Good Little Man scenario.

this comparison doesn't make sense at all. hopkins was a 3-1 UNDERDOG going into the trinidad fight. little g is the betting FAVORITE going up against canelo. not only that, but hopkins was easily the better technical boxer between the two and everybody knew that....people just felt tito's power and youth would get him the win. in this case, canelo is younger but also better technically. really, this comparison just holds no weight no matter how you look at it. this is a younger, more skilled smaller fighter vs an older, more powerful, bigger fighter. and this isn't a good big man vs a good little man. this is a good big man vs a GREAT little man. and the truth is, the size difference will be minimal here. and there will be moments when canelo will actually walk little g down and bully him. just watch.




jesus christ. I can't wait for canelo to beat this dude's ass

 

[Bleed The Freak]

Canelo by UD. I think he walks down GGG

 

[GzUp]

this comparison doesn't make sense at all. hopkins was a 3-1 UNDERDOG going into the trinidad fight. little g is the betting FAVORITE going up against canelo. not only that, but hopkins was easily the better technical boxer between the two and everybody knew that....people just felt tito's power and youth would get him the win. in this case, canelo is younger but also better technically. really, this comparison just holds no weight no matter how you look at it. this is a younger, more skilled smaller fighter vs an older, more powerful, bigger fighter. and this isn't a good big man vs a good little man. this is a good big man vs a GREAT little man. and the truth is, the size difference will be minimal here. and there will be moments when canelo will actually walk little g down and bully him. just watch.




jesus christ. I can't wait for canelo to beat this dude's ass

U seem so emotionally invested in the fight, which is fine but I think u reaching a zone where if u get disappointed u just might commit that


I'll put u on suicide watch after the fight.