GGG-Canelo Master Discussion Thread

[BlackManLiveFromLondon]

We got some cats in here saying Canelo aint got the style to beat GGG

GGG who once you get by his jab has no defense at all is facing a guy who is a good counter punch and a good puncher to the body type boxer that actually moves his head unlike GGG's usual opponents

Cant teach an old dog new tricks , the man is like any other eurocac very one dimensional, soon as Canelo cancels his game plan he will crumble

 

[GzUp]

We got some cats in here saying Canelo aint got the style to beat GGG

GGG who once you get by his jab has no defense at all is facing a guy who is a good counter punch and a good puncher to the body type boxer that actually moves his head unlike GGG's usual opponents

Cant teach an old dog new tricks , the man is like any other eurocac very one dimensional, soon as Canelo cancels his game plan he will crumble

Who has?

 

[GzUp]

 

[((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL]

this dude lookin straight up

 

[GzUp]

this dude lookin straight up

He looks fine to me.

 

[George's Dilemma]

this dude lookin straight up

He's from Kazakhstan, they all look like that.

 

[Columbo]

He looks fine to me.

 

[GzUp]

What do u find strange?

 

[Newzz]

The aura of this fight reminds me so much of the lead up to Tito vs BHop. The Young bull against the "aged" Veteran. Tito KO'ing Joppy and BHop not looking "great" against Holmes. The media, the fans, even some of the hardcore fans not giving BHop any chance. The fight to make Tito "A Legend". Then the bell rings... Tito finds out what it is to fight a skilled Middleweight with Middleweight experience. In this case with Canelo vs GGG, I see Canelo coming in having these dominant performances against Khan, Liam Smith, Chavez Jr where he looks like a Million Bucks but the substance of the opponents are . GGG on the other hand while isn't fighting "Names" has been fighting top ranked Middleweights on a more consistent basis and is coming off fighting the #1 ranked guy under him. While Canelo has finally moved up to 160 (a bit over due) I don't feel he's really acclimated himself to the weight in the sense of fighting other top level Middleweights before fighting the #1 in the Division (ala fighting a David Lemieux as prep leading into a GGG fight instead of Chavez Jr). I think people are HEAVILY over looking how undersized Canelo's gonna be against someone who is not just a big puncher but also a very experienced fighter dating back to his AM days. The experience that Canelo has over GGG is fighting under the "big lights". If Canelo was someone who had really good movement, could clinch, more authoritative jab than GGG, and was evenly sized or bigger I'd actually pick Canelo (who I admit has a bit of a speed advantage). But the more I look at this fight I see GGG dominating him with the jab which is gonna throw off a lot of Canelo's timing when he tries countering. I think the pace will be an issue too as we ALL know Canelo's gas tank isn't the greatest. I think Canelo's gonna look good early, landing some pretty looking combos but I think as the fight progresses he's gonna start to feel the brunt of the punishment and doesn't have the mobility needed to evade GGG's consistency. I think Nelo gets stopped in 9-10 rounds. Good Big Man Beats Good Little Man scenario.

Yep

 

[Newzz]

Kell Brook

Brook as a welterweight win is arguably better than any Golovkin win in his career.
It's really only the Jacobs win which we can put next to it but P4P wise Brook was regarded higher than Jacobs. Spence beat Brook in his own weightclass. He beat a top 3 welter in a welterweight which is possibly the strongest division out there right now

I don't start an argument now about whether we can put Spence on P4P lists yet or not I just say that if one puts together the list based on the best recent/relevant wins then Spence has an argument. I hardly can mention 10 fighters with better wins (which are still relevant) than stopping Brook in welterweight

Jacobs' win over Quillin > Brook's win over Porter....which makes a win over Jacobs > a win over Brook going by your best win matrix, especially considering GGG beat them both

 

[reservoirdogs]

Jacobs' win over Quillin > Brook's win over Porter....which makes a win over Jacobs > a win over Brook going by your best win matrix, especially considering GGG beat them both

nah Quillin wasn't all that, he was considered a nice prospect back in the years but then the hype steadily died down and he hasn't really stepped up his competition and then he only barely could achieve a draw against Andy Lee.
Then came Jacobs and KO him in round 1. Quillin wasn't held in higher esteem than Porter.
Quillin's best win was Hassan N'dam, Porter beat Devon Alexander when Devon Alexander was still a thing and was regarded as a top 5-10 welter.

Porter is a fighter who actually can give hell anyone in boxing's arguably strongest division, Quillin was a quite untested bu regardless top 5 guy in one of boxing's weakest division and even there he failed when he got truly put under a test. No way that Peter Quillin was held as the better fighter P4P than Porter. Porter is a better win than Quillin all day and beating Brook in welterweight is a better win than any of GGG's.

 

[Remote]

He's from Kazakhstan, they all look like that.

 

[Newzz]

nah Quillin wasn't all that, he was considered a nice prospect back in the years but then the hype steadily died down and he hasn't really stepped up his competition and then he only barely could achieve a draw against Andy Lee.
Then came Jacobs and KO him in round 1. Quillin wasn't held in higher esteem than Porter.
Quillin's best win was Hassan N'dam, Porter beat Devon Alexander when Devon Alexander was still a thing and was regarded as a top 5-10 welter.

Porter is a fighter who actually can give hell anyone in boxing's arguably strongest division, Quillin was a quite untested bu regardless top 5 guy in one of boxing's weakest division and even there he failed when he got truly put under a test. No way that Peter Quillin was held as the better fighter P4P than Porter. Porter is a better win than Quillin all day and beating Brook in welterweight is a better win than any of GGG's.

Quillin was ranked the #2 Middleweight in the World & was undefeated when Jacobs KOd him in 1....Porter was not ranked as high at Welterweight & Brook won a close fight over him.

 

[reservoirdogs]

Quillin was ranked the #2 Middleweight in the World & was undefeated when Jacobs KOd him in 1....Porter was not ranked as high at Welterweight & Brook won a close fight over him.

we can't compare it like that

MW #2 = WW #2
MW #2 > WW #3
and etc... ?

nah, fukk that, there are differences between the strength of divisions. Everybody knew and knows how weak that MW was ad how strong that ww was.
Daniel Geale who was considered a top 3-5 guy in that division got slumped by a small Miiguel Cotto who already lost to Trout widely a division south just as fast as Golovkin slumped him

idc what you say man, Peter Quillin was not a better win than Shawn Porter, the two man's reputation wasn't even close to each other. Quillin was #2 in a whack ass division with his best win being N'dam and Porter wasn't #2 in his division wit his best win being Devon Alexander cause that division was fukking strong with Mayweather, Pacquiao, prime Maidana, JMM, Bradley, Thurman,

14 January 2014 | Transnational Boxing Rankings Board

I mean compare this

Middleweight
Champion Sergio Martinez
1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Peter Quillin
3. Felix Sturm
4. Darren Barker
5. Daniel Geale
6. Martin Murray
7. Sam Soliman
8. Matthew Macklin
9. Marco Antonio Rubio
10. Andy Lee


with this

Welterweight
Champion: Vacant
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Timothy Bradley
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Shawn Porter
6. Marcos Maidana
7. Keith Thurman
8. Robert Guerrero
9. Devon Alexander
10. Paulie Malignaggi



not even when I'm high as fukk would have thought anyone rates a win over Peter Quillin above a win over Shawn Porter.

Porter gave tough fights to the likes of Brook or Thurma, Quillin gave tough fight to Andy Lee and when he stepped up he got slumped under 1 round.

 

[Newzz]

we can't compare it like that

MW #2 = WW #2
MW #2 > WW #3
and etc... ?

nah, fukk that, there are differences between the strength of divisions. Everybody knew and knows how weak that MW was ad how strong that ww was.
Daniel Geale who was considered a top 3-5 guy in that division got slumped by a small Miiguel Cotto who already lost to Trout widely a division south just as fast as Golovkin slumped him

idc what you say man, Peter Quillin was not a better win than Shawn Porter, the two man's reputation wasn't even close to each other. Quillin was #2 in a whack ass division with his best win being N'dam and Porter wasn't #2 in his division wit his best win being Devon Alexander cause that division was fukking strong with Mayweather, Pacquiao, prime Maidana, JMM, Bradley, Thurman,

14 January 2014 | Transnational Boxing Rankings Board

I mean compare this

Middleweight
Champion Sergio Martinez
1. Gennady Golovkin
2. Peter Quillin
3. Felix Sturm
4. Darren Barker
5. Daniel Geale
6. Martin Murray
7. Sam Soliman
8. Matthew Macklin
9. Marco Antonio Rubio
10. Andy Lee


with this

Welterweight
Champion: Vacant
1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Timothy Bradley
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Shawn Porter
6. Marcos Maidana
7. Keith Thurman
8. Robert Guerrero
9. Devon Alexander
10. Paulie Malignaggi



not even when I'm high as fukk would have thought anyone rates a win over Peter Quillin above a win over Shawn Porter.

Porter gave tough fights to the likes of Brook or Thurma, Quillin gave tough fight to Andy Lee and when he stepped up he got slumped under 1 round.

Thurman has nothing to do with Porter at the time, you cant use fights after the fact to bolster someone's resume.



Quillin had wins over Winky Wright, Hassan N'Dam, Gabe Rosado. and a draw with Andy Lee.
Porter had wins over Devon Alexander, Paulie Malignaggi, Julio Diaz, and a draw with Julio Diaz.




Porter did not have a stronger resume than Quillin....:forreal:



Again, Jacobs beating Quillin in 1 round > Brook having a tough fight with Porter, so that would mean GGG's win over Jacobs > Spence's win over Brook..........PLUS GGG has KOd Kell Brook already in under 15 minutes too just to clarify things even further.