Genetic evidence suggests European migrants may have influenced the origins of India's caste system

[bouncy]

That's not a painting.

I was talking about images like this:

this was buddha the young god.

as for the age of the paintings:

The Ajanta wall paintings are famous for their masterful line-work, the use of natural pigments, the artistry achieved with only primitive tools, the sensual forms, and the harmony of the overall composition. The end result, we must remember, would have been viewed in semi-darkness with perhaps just some weak oil lamps to help make out the figures. These masterpieces at Ajanta were executed more or less in two phases. An initial phase is made up primarily of the fragments in caves 9 & 10, from the second century B.C.

http://www.theglobaldispatches.com/articles/the-ajanta-cave-paintings

These paintings actually predate the sculptures in the image you posted by about 600 years, as per the article above....they are actually from some cave temples near by.

You're right though, I don't know much....but this isn't exactly earth shattering information.

I edited it already but, like I stated, those paintings could have been added anytime after the real buddha became known. My common sense tells me the nepal, and other asian statues(excluding china, and maybe more), the ajanta carvings ALL have the same look, yet PAINTINGS are different. That sound like someone is not being honest about the Buddha. You can draw a painting in one day if you're good. Not the same for all those carvings.

This link you gave is also being dishonest because they are not showing NONE of the sculptures with the people who have kinky hair, only the few paintings when in reality the sculptures are CRAZY! This iis what I mean by being intellectually dishonest, and painting a false picture. In this case it's the fukking media.

 

[bouncy]

Here's another painting

This is really all starting to make sense to me. The Buddha came from Nepal or at least was Asian with kinky hair. He then went to India and had a group of followers. Over time more people started following his teachings, and these people added paintings to the carvings, this is why they look like Indians before the mixing. Then as time went on the story was used by Norhtern Indians, and they rewrote it to make him look like he came from Northern India. Just like a lot of Europeans do with Jesus. IT'S DAMN NEAR THE SAME shyt!

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I edited it already but, like I stated, those paintings could have been added anytime after the real buddha became known. My common sense tells me the nepal, and other asian statues(excluding china, and maybe more), the ajanta carvings ALL have the same look, yet PAINTINGS are different. That sound like someone is not being honest about the Buddha. You can draw a painting in one day if you're good. Not the same for all those carvings.

This link you gave is also being dishonest because they are not showing NONE of the sculptures with the people who have kinky hair, only the few paintings when in reality the sculptures are CRAZY! This iis what I mean by being intellectually dishonest, and painting a false picture. In this case it's the fukking media.

Uh, how is the link being dishonest when it is about Ajanta...the sculptures you posted are from a place call Ellora, nearby. It says so right in the article....but of course, you didn't even read it.

Yeah I'm sure elaborate paintings like those could take one day over 2000 years ago. The paintings aren't relevant because you say so

You can't be for real breh.

 

[bouncy]

Uh, how is the link being dishonest when it is about Ajanta...the sculptures you posted are from a place call Ellora, nearby. It says so right in the article....but of course, you didn't even read it.

Yeah I'm sure elaborate paintings like those could take one day over 2000 years ago. The paintings aren't relevant because you say so

You can't be for real breh.

The first sculpture was from the ajanta caves. I posted the rest to show the accuracy of the sculptures. They all went right in line with the other sculpture of Buddha besides the northern indian pictures.

The point was they showed the cave, why not show the carvings. Reporters do this all the time to give you a background of what is being talked about.

Intellectual dishonesty!

And you act like these people couldnt do drawings. Whats crazy is they did all those intricate sculptures with very little light! But you are praising paintings that were done in low light which will reflect off of the bright colored paint. The sculptures are way harder to do.

 

[Primordial]

at this back and forth over India's caste system


Went from "did the Europeans implement the caste system" to "some of those brahmins look like yellowbones"

At the end of the day, humans do what they do since they began walking in Africa and that is develop hierarchies (Some more complex than others)

to @lotty and @GetInTheTruck for staying on point and keeping it civil. Great debate.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Here's another painting

This is really all starting to make sense to me. The Buddha came from Nepal or at least was Asian with kinky hair. He then went to India and had a group of followers. Over time more people started following his teachings, and these people added paintings to the carvings, this is why they look like Indians before the mixing. Then as time went on the story was used by Norhtern Indians, and they rewrote it to make him look like he came from Northern India. Just like a lot of Europeans do with Jesus. IT'S DAMN NEAR THE SAME shyt!

Oh it's all starting to make sense, huh? Well guess what, Nepal was a part of India during the time of the Buddha, but I guess you didn't know that

Nepalese people today closer to the Indian border look just like Indians:

it isn't until you start going further east that they start to look like other Asians. Any Buddhist over there will tell you where the Buddha came from.

Again, this isn't earth shattering information. You're only exposing your ignorance.

 

[bouncy]

Oh it's all starting to make sense, huh? Well guess what, Nepal was a part of India during the time of the Buddha, but I guess you didn't know that

Nepalese people today closer to the Indian border look just like Indians:

it isn't until you start going further east that they start to look like other Asians. Any Buddhist over there will tell you where the Buddha came from.

Again, this isn't earth shattering information. You're only exposing your ignorance.

NO, you're exposing YOU'RE ignorance. The people of the past will have looked more african, and asian, because as they traveled out of Africa through India, they would have bred more leading to a more homogenous look, then these people moved further east into Asia. This is why the look of the first Asians were more blacker then they are today as the article I posted was inferring to, and what @Camile.Bidan was saying. These people then went north to china, and you now the rest. The point is the people we see today didn't look like that THOUSANDS of years ago because their genes were more towards the Africans, and "black" Asians due to being fresh in the land. Today the same people have been having sex with each other for THOUSANDS of years so this is why we get the looks we see.

I'm done man because I realize you are using your being Indian as badge of authenticity of your knowledge on Buddha, and the caste system but you really don't know. You just know enough to talk about it but, not enough to question if what you know is false or true. Let's just chill. I'm getting tired of this. I learned what I needed to learn because I've been wanting to get deep into this but kept putting it off, and now I feel I have a good basis on what went on over there.

Thanks @Camile.Bidan for keeping me going, and showing me another side. But I want to know more about those Aryans. Was psychoactives plants an important part of their life or just once in a while. Did they bring the Soma to India or was it already there? Hit me up, man.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

You said the Buddha came to north india from Nepal when Nepal WAS northeast India during his time. You're an idiot, straight up. This is what happens when you get caught up in pseudo history.

And you stay tagging that racist identity crisis having troll gundumb like he's going to come save you, that shows how desperate your arguments are.

Humans left Africa and settled in India something like 50-75,000 years ago, what does any of that have to do with the time period in which the Buddha lived?

South-east asian and chinese buddhists have no problem accepting that the Buddha was an indian, ever heard about journey to the west? but apparently you, a black man who doesn't even identify with Buddhism, have this huge problem with that for whatever reason. Well hey, if you want to live in this fantasy world where the Buddha was some knotty headed black guy that's your right to do so, but don't expect reasonable people to take you seriously.

 

[bouncy]

You said the Buddha came to north india from Nepal when Nepal WAS northeast India during his time. You're an idiot, straight up. This is what happens when you get caught up in pseudo history.

And you stay tagging that racist identity crisis having troll gundumb like he's going to come save you, that shows how desperate your arguments are.

Humans left Africa and settled in India something like 50-75,000 years ago, what does any of that have to do with the time period in which the Buddha lived?

South-east asian and chinese buddhists have no problem accepting that the Buddha was an indian, ever heard about journey to the west? but apparently you, a black man who doesn't even identify with Buddhism, have this huge problem with that for whatever reason. Well hey, if you want to live in this fantasy world where the Buddha was some knotty headed black guy that's your right to do so, but don't expect reasonable people to take you seriously.

You don't know the story of Buddha, and you know it. The story goes a special man will be born in northern india but, before he became buddha he was a prince of the Shakya clan who was born in modern day nepal. When he became the buddha(reached enlightenment) he was under a tree, in what we call northern india today, which makes the prophesy true.

See you're showing your true colors because I never said he as some knotty headed black guy the way you are making it sound. I said he had kinky hair, and was what we consider an Asian. I always wrote "black" asian. Notice I always put the the word black in quotation marks. Chinese buddhists add some of their beliefs to the story because the way they depict buddha is a fat bald headed man who is smiling. So you obviously didn't realize that when you were lumping all of them together. And I do Identify with the Buddha because I have his same beliefs. I don't just do rituals and claim I'm something, I LIVE IT.
You have a problem with blacks saying anything different about history, if it isn't in Africa, POINT BLANK. I'm not stupid, I can see it in your posts. You are a low key racists when it comes to history. You deal with emotion, not the facts, unless it coincides with what you were taught.

Humans left Africa like you claim but they also took thousands of years within the land of India breeding with each other before going to east asia. The breeding with each other created their own looks. The breeding with the Indians who were in India giving another look. Then those Indians bred with some of the northern indians giving another look due to a different climate. The same for east asians. All of this happened for thousands of years, so yes it does effect the way the buddha would have looked back then. This breeding is done with plants. You breed hybrids for multiple generations until you come up with a plant that's stable. Before you get a stable plant, you will always get different traits from the plant being a hybrid.

I'm tagging @Camile.Bidan because he came in with SCIENTIFIC info about the Aryans that made me question what I thought about their origins. I don't care who you are, if I can learn from you, I will. I can decipher what is bullshyt, and what has truth.

You like to have the last word, this is why you twist words around, or just don't understand what the other person is saying, you are preparing to knock down what they are saying, not see if it's true. I deal with girls like you, and I let them have the last word and K.I.M.

So, I will let you have the last word. I promise I won't reply to you. Call everything Geneticists, archaeologists, Buddhists say that don't go along with yours as pseudoscience and pseudohistory

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Present day Nepal was northeast India at that time

your ignorance really is extraordinary.

 

[observe]

Every where on the Internet sources are saying white Arayans came thru and started the caste system

 

[The Real]

I edited it already but, like I stated, those paintings could have been added anytime after the real buddha became known. My common sense tells me the nepal, and other asian statues(excluding china, and maybe more), the ajanta carvings ALL have the same look, yet PAINTINGS are different. That sound like someone is not being honest about the Buddha. You can draw a painting in one day if you're good. Not the same for all those carvings.

This link you gave is also being dishonest because they are not showing NONE of the sculptures with the people who have kinky hair, only the few paintings when in reality the sculptures are CRAZY! This iis what I mean by being intellectually dishonest, and painting a false picture. In this case it's the fukking media.

The whole discussion is moot. Nobody started making images of the Buddha until several hundred years after he died. No image of Buddha is based on what he actually looked like, because no one who made the images knew what he looked like.

 

[bouncy]

The whole discussion is moot. Nobody started making images of the Buddha until several hundred years after he died. No image of Buddha is based on what he actually looked like, because no one who made the images knew what he looked like.

If you read my posts when this started, that is what I posted. I even compared it to the Jesus story. Why do yall pick and choose what you want to read, and keep replying to me, and I have to keep repeating myself. It's annoying.

The reason I posted the images was to make an argument of how the original people of the land most likely looked, and used the Buddha story as help since there are so many sculptures about him from the past. I even explained this in my last few posts. It was all to help explain the caste system origins being race based. Everyone, please read my posts carefully before replying, so I don't have to type the same thing again.

 

[*L*E*G*A*C*Y*]

I knew it

All too obvious.


Everywhere white people go round the world they fukk it and the people up in the aftermath.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Believing the aryans were white is surrendering to eurocentric views of history. Some of the most important figures in Hindu mythology were described as being aryans and dark skinned at the same time.

The supreme Lord in Hinduism is Vishnu and he's always described as dark both in his cosmic manifestations and human incarnations.

Also aryan culture reveres the cow and is fanatically vegetarian, as all Brahmins still do and are today. Can anybody point me to a European culture with similar practices?