General Trump Administration F**kery Thread (2025-2029)

[King Kreole]

Right. So who in this thread has failed to do a legit autopsy of the political conditions? Why are we still arguing over this?

There is a contingent of posters (and voters) who are more concerned with defending the name and brand of the Democratic Party than acknowledging how catastrophically they have failed to not only win elections against the fascist menace, but also failed to deliver serious, material wins for the public. This is not a difference that can be papered over for the sake of comity, it is a deep ideological schism. Many of them are psychologically harmed by the presence of the criticism because they have developed a parasocial relationship with the Democratic Party and its leaders, so they cannot engage with the criticisms in good faith. The most obvious way this whole dynamic manifests is in their constant refrain that we should eliminate criticisms of the Democrats because we should only be focused on criticizing Trump/MAGA. We cannot all come together and sing kumbaya until this fundamental difference is resolved one way or another.

 

[Loose]

Right, so in this thread we have argued over the classic case of people who looked at Kamala’s policies vs Trump's policies in a blind test.

Kamala Harris’s economic policy slate more popular than Trump’s – poll

Exclusive: Harris Poll for Guardian finds Democrat put forward four of top five most popular economic proposals

www.theguardian.com

Folks were happier with Kamala’s policies until they heard it was from Kamala.

Meanwhile some of these same folks happily voted for the guy who started a government insurrection on January 6th.

Are we going to really step back and say these people don't have to look at themselves to ask why they voted the way they did? Or chose not to vote? This is where i go back to absolutes. Dealing in absolutes never gives a true picture.

I disagree i think voters were generally excited about the prospects of kamala as a change candidate until she went on a more of the same neoliberalism tour explaining how she's this revolutionary centrist candidate. Regular Voters truly don't identify as left or right, they identify as people who want to hear ideas of how to improve their daily lives. What kamala failed at was pushing the envelope, she was too busy listening to the cac mambas and was getting outflanked by fukking trump on populist ideas ( no tax on tips, ss, no income tax etc)

 

[jj23]

For people to be so smart some in here have a tough time with understanding concepts such as this. There never is gray, only black and white and of the black and white choices only their preference is correct.

The refusal (or inability) to understand some issues are complex, have nuance, there can be more than one right answer, etc is a reason why people give you migraines on here every day.

There is a contingent of posters (and voters) who are more concerned with defending the name and brand of the Democratic Party than acknowledging how catastrophically they have failed to not only win elections against the fascist menace, but also failed to deliver serious, material wins for the public. This is not a difference that can be papered over for the sake of comity, it is a deep ideological schism. Many of them are psychologically harmed by the presence of the criticism because they have developed a parasocial relationship with the Democratic Party and its leaders, so they cannot engage with the criticisms in good faith. The most obvious way this whole dynamic manifests is in their constant refrain that we should eliminate criticisms of the Democrats because we should only be focused on criticizing Trump/MAGA. We cannot all come together and sing kumbaya until this fundamental difference is resolved one way or another.

I disagree i think voters were generally excited about the prospects of kamala as a change candidate until she went on a more of the same neoliberalism tour explaining how she's this revolutionary centrist candidate. Regular Voters truly don't identify as left or right, they identify as people who want to hear ideas of how to improve their daily lives. What kamala failed at was pushing the envelope, she was too busy listening to the cac mambas and was getting outflanked by fukking trump on populist ideas ( no tax on tips, ss, no income tax etc)

Look at us having respectful reasonable conversations.

Lol was this so hard?

Look at us making excellent points without calling each other a$$holes.

 

[King Kreole]

Right, so in this thread we have argued over the classic case of people who looked at Kamala’s policies vs Trump's policies in a blind test.

Kamala Harris’s economic policy slate more popular than Trump’s – poll

Exclusive: Harris Poll for Guardian finds Democrat put forward four of top five most popular economic proposals

www.theguardian.com

Folks were happier with Kamala’s policies until they heard it was from Kamala.

Meanwhile some of these same folks happily voted for the guy who started a government insurrection on January 6th.

Are we going to really step back and say these people don't have to look at themselves to ask why they voted the way they did? Or chose not to vote? This is where i go back to absolutes. Dealing in absolutes never gives a true picture.

In a democracy, the political party is subservient to the voters. Saying that the path forward is for the bad public to realize how good and great the Democratic Party is, instead of the Democratic Party enacting fundamental changes to become more enticing to the public by adopting a good, populist political agenda, is an inverse of the correct causal formulation in my opinion.

Believe me, I have no lack of criticism for American spirit and how this country's history has produced a wretched, violent, selfish, uneducated, graceless public, but the entire point of the progressive political project is to render goodness out of badness, and drag us into a better future. You can't do that if you're response to a loss is pouting and stomping your feet about how the public didn't choose you in the recent election and don't see how much a catch you really are.

 

[King Kreole]

Look at us having respectful reasonable conversations.

Lol was this so hard?

Look at us making excellent points without calling each other a$$holes.

I am all for more respectful, reasoned, and intellectual conversations taking place in HL.

 

[jj23]

There is a contingent of posters (and voters) who are more concerned with defending the name and brand of the Democratic Party than acknowledging how catastrophically they have failed to not only win elections against the fascist menace, but also failed to deliver serious, material wins for the public. This is not a difference that can be papered over for the sake of comity, it is a deep ideological schism. Many of them are psychologically harmed by the presence of the criticism because they have developed a parasocial relationship with the Democratic Party and its leaders, so they cannot engage with the criticisms in good faith. The most obvious way this whole dynamic manifests is in their constant refrain that we should eliminate criticisms of the Democrats because we should only be focused on criticizing Trump/MAGA. We cannot all come together and sing kumbaya until this fundamental difference is resolved one way or another.

I would argue that the opinion has been that during election time, what is the benefit of tearing down the party when it should have been focused on beating Trump. The fact that the party wasn't in a shape to resist criticism is a question to answer in itself, but I think the folks at that point saw the threat of Trump as greater that any ideological shortcomings, but I may be wrong.

 

[jj23]

I disagree i think voters were generally excited about the prospects of kamala as a change candidate until she went on a more of the same neoliberalism tour explaining how she's this revolutionary centrist candidate. Regular Voters truly don't identify as left or right, they identify as people who want to hear ideas of how to improve their daily lives. What kamala failed at was pushing the envelope, she was too busy listening to the cac mambas and was getting outflanked by fukking trump on populist ideas ( no tax on tips, ss, no income tax etc)

Now you see at the time I saw it as Kamala trying to make the tent as big as possible, but in hindsight, I can see where this was a misstep as too much focus was placed on that alliance.

 

[Loose]

Now you see at the time I saw it as Kamala trying to make the tent as big as possible, but in hindsight, I can see where this was a misstep as too much focus was placed on that alliance.

And it's stupid, you don't see republicans going we need to court democrats... let's govern based on not offending them. They don't give two shyts about democrat voters, even the ones in purple states don't.

 

[eastside313]

And it's stupid, you don't see republicans going we need to court democrats... let's govern based on not offending them. They don't give two shyts about democrat voters, even the ones in purple states don't.

Republicans don’t have a to court democrats. They just sow division with misinformation and spread money around to black influencers. And we got the she ain’t even black. She ain’t gonna do nothing crowd eventhough she talked about actual life improving polices.

If a white man would’ve been running and saying the exact same chit Kamala was saying he would’ve smoked trump.

 

[King Kreole]

I would argue that the opinion has been that during election time, what is the benefit of tearing down the party when it should have been focused on beating Trump. The fact that the party wasn't in a shape to resist criticism is a question to answer in itself, but I think the folks at that point saw the threat of Trump as greater that any ideological shortcomings, but I may be wrong.

Yeah, this is a fair point. I think under normal circumstances a primary is the release valve for a lot of intra-party tension, but we didn't have one this cycle. Also, the emotional stakes of the moment were so high because an ongoing genocide was one of the dividing points between the two sides of the coalition. Add in the fact that Trump returning to power was on the other side of the equation...it's was a highly combustible mix of factors.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I would argue that the opinion has been that during election time, what is the benefit of tearing down the party when it should have been focused on beating Trump. The fact that the party wasn't in a shape to resist criticism is a question to answer in itself, but I think the folks at that point saw the threat of Trump as greater that any ideological shortcomings, but I may be wrong.

If there’s one single biggest “problem” with dems getting elected.

It’s their incapability to STFU and quit attacking their own.

Repubs hate dems
Dems hate dems
Bothsidersers hate dems
People who don’t care just hear “dems suck” from every which way.

Really hard to get elected against a cult that’s coordinated and laser focused on proving EVERYTHING they do is right and the other side is evil.

Dems need to get their shyt together and unify. How the fukk is “democracy in danger” and they having petty squabbles about dumb shyt

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

There is a contingent of posters (and voters) who are more concerned with defending the name and brand of the Democratic Party than acknowledging how catastrophically they have failed to not only win elections against the fascist menace, but also failed to deliver serious, material wins for the public. This is not a difference that can be papered over for the sake of comity, it is a deep ideological schism. Many of them are psychologically harmed by the presence of the criticism because they have developed a parasocial relationship with the Democratic Party and its leaders, so they cannot engage with the criticisms in good faith. The most obvious way this whole dynamic manifests is in their constant refrain that we should eliminate criticisms of the Democrats because we should only be focused on criticizing Trump/MAGA. We cannot all come together and sing kumbaya until this fundamental difference is resolved one way or another.

You dont know what policy wins look like.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If there’s one single biggest “problem” with dems getting elected.

It’s their incapability to STFU and quit attacking their own.

Repubs hate dems
Dems hate dems
Bothsidersers hate dems
People who don’t care just here “dems suck” from every which way.

Really hard to get elected against a cult that’s coordinated and laser focused on proving EVERYTHING they do is right and the other side is evil.

Dems need to get their shyt together and unify. How the fukk is “democracy in danger” and they having petty squabbles about dumb shyt

The tent is too big and yall want them to die on the hill of trans rights.

So if we’re cutting the fat, where do we start?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You can't move forward when the party refuses to do a legitimate autopsy of the political conditions that explains why this happened. The same shyt will happen in 30/ 2032 but worse if the party doesn't reconcile the relationship that they have with working class voters. It's easy to go " the voters are stupid they will have to learn " blah blah blah. yes they're stupid, which is why you have to have plans to change their lives materially. Democrats had several plans going into 2021, refused to orchestrate the major ones. After a while voters get tired of the failed promises that you had bases on appealing your donors clas and move on.

you and those around you have encouraged withholding voting to punish democrats.