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I disagree i think voters were generally excited about the prospects of kamala as a change candidate until she went on a more of the same neoliberalism tour explaining how she's this revolutionary centrist candidate. Regular Voters truly don't identify as left or right, they identify as people who want to hear ideas of how to improve their daily lives. What kamala failed at was pushing the envelope, she was too busy listening to the cac mambas and was getting outflanked by fukking trump on populist ideas ( no tax on tips, ss, no income tax etc)
Are the voters stupid, then?
 

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Nah, I’m an active and enthusiastic democrat. You’re a member of the “unless democrats sound like Marx and Engels then we shouldn’t vote” crowd.
I’m not part of none of this shyt other than casting my vote for my own best benefit.

If i was giving my advice on how to get dems elected, it would be trashing people such as yourself. :ehh:
 

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Now you see at the time I saw it as Kamala trying to make the tent as big as possible, but in hindsight, I can see where this was a misstep as too much focus was placed on that alliance.
The argument is somewhat disingenuous as Bernie is doing the same thing right now but getting celebrated for courting republicans. Kamala wasn’t touting republican policies she was trying to convince never trumpers it was okay to vote democrat to avoid this mess. Liz even said she disagreed about abortion and stuff but Trump losing was more important. That is an example of what I said people have it black and white and the only right answer is theirs, aka she lost because she “became Ronald Reagan”
 
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The argument is somewhat disingenuous as Bernie is doing the same thing right now but getting celebrated for courting republicans.
This is objectively false. Kamala was letting centrist republicans Liz cheney never trump republicans etc influence her policy from August to election day. You won't catch Bernie letting fukkinf mark cuban discredit and disrespect lina khan etc. There was a period of time kamala was trying to dsmn near out right wing trump on wars and populist ideas. She went from going after businesses for price exploitation to walking thay back to promote billionaires and promoting the fact that Wallstreet loves her. It was honestly sickening only reason I voted for her is because of the legitimate threat trump is. Her campaign direction was to the right of Joe bidens 2020, who would have thought that
 

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This is objectively false. Kamala was letting centrist republicans Liz cheney never trump republicans etc influence her policy from August to election day. You won't catch Bernie letting fukkinf mark cuban discredit and disrespect lina khan etc. There was a period of time kamala was trying to dsmn near out right wing trump on wars and populist ideas. She went from going after businesses for price exploitation to walking thay back to promote billionaires and Wallstreet loving her. It was honestly sickening only reason I voted for her is because of the legitimate threat trump is. Her campaign direction was to the right of Joe bidens 2020, who would have thought that
This isn’t an argument worth having because your mind is already made up.

Maybe for @jj23’s sake besides being on stage with Liz Cheney and hoping to create a permission structure where life long republicans felt comfortable voting for a democrat, you can list out specific policies she changed and promoted at rallies, on social media and in her commercials that prove your point that she turned into a republican and pushed those ideas right before the election

And on Bernie, he wouldn’t let anyone disrespect Lina khan and also wouldn’t let anyone disrespect Joe Biden being that he was one of the last major politicians defending him until he dropped out.

The bare minimum anyone should have voted for her is because of the threat Trump is. You apparently were smart enough to figure that out but willing to give everyone else a pass because you’re mad at the dems.

If she and the dems are as weak feckless and politically malleable as you all like to say they are you should have worked for them to win so you could have them in power and use your own influence through people led campaigns to force them to do what you wanted.
 
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This is objectively false. Kamala was letting centrist republicans Liz cheney never trump republicans etc influence her policy from August to election day. You won't catch Bernie letting fukkinf mark cuban discredit and disrespect lina khan etc. There was a period of time kamala was trying to dsmn near out right wing trump on wars and populist ideas. She went from going after businesses for price exploitation to walking thay back to promote billionaires and promoting the fact that Wallstreet loves her. It was honestly sickening only reason I voted for her is because of the legitimate threat trump is. Her campaign direction was to the right of Joe bidens 2020, who would have thought that

Do you think clinging to this position would have helped her win?

 

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This is objectively false. Kamala was letting centrist republicans Liz cheney never trump republicans etc influence her policy
:russell: nobody gave a fukk about that

kamala correctly sided with liz cheney on rejecting the MAGA animals' violence on J6. and it didnt swing the election one way or another
 

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This is objectively false. Kamala was letting centrist republicans Liz cheney never trump republicans etc influence her policy from August to election day. You won't catch Bernie letting fukkinf mark cuban discredit and disrespect lina khan etc. There was a period of time kamala was trying to dsmn near out right wing trump on wars and populist ideas. She went from going after businesses for price exploitation to walking thay back to promote billionaires and promoting the fact that Wallstreet loves her. It was honestly sickening only reason I voted for her is because of the legitimate threat trump is. Her campaign direction was to the right of Joe bidens 2020, who would have thought that
A balancing act too far for Kamala?

How did Trimp manage to convince populists and billionaires he was on their side?

Yes he lied through his teeth, but if we assume both candidates were lying, why believe Trump, who has a history of lying about everything instead of Kamala? I genuinely can't understand it.


This isn’t an argument worth having because your mind is already made up.

Maybe for @jj23’s sake besides being on stage with Liz Cheney and hoping to create a permission structure where life long republicans felt comfortable voting for a democrat, you can list out specific policies she changed and promoted at rallies, on social media and in her commercials that prove your point that she turned into a republican and pushed those ideas right before the election

And on Bernie, he wouldn’t let anyone disrespect Lina khan and also wouldn’t let anyone disrespect Joe Biden being that he was one of the last major politicians defending him until he dropped out.

The bare minimum anyone should have voted for her is because of the threat Trump is. You apparently were smart enough to figure that out but willing to give everyone else a pass because you’re mad at the dems.

If she and the dems are as weak feckless and politically malleable as you all like to say they are you should have worked for them to win so you could have them in power and use your own influence through people led campaigns to force them to do what you wanted.
That's reasonable. I think the big question there, is could she have done it with a republican less polarising than Liz Cheney?
 
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