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We are gaining a chance to show Americans what we are willing to fight for.

A sizable portion of working class Americans have somehow decided that they are not sure which party has their best interests at heart.

A lot of these Americans don't tune in to politics and never pay attention to the US government, a shutdown is one of the few exceptions to that.

So let them tune in and find out why Republicans, who have the Presidency and both houses of Congress are unable to keep it open.

And why Democrats are unwilling to let them implement an agenda that will end up harming millions if Americans, especially the most vulnerable.

I don't care if this is a fight we end up losing, I just want us to lose it in public.
Well I know what we're fighting against but that isn't really the same thing....

Yes.

Yes.

If they do finally tune in... what is the msm and or their favorite right wing ghoul going to tell them?

You're putting a lot of faith in people who just fumbled a really clear cut election(albeit not to progressives on this and online).


I understand the sentiment... I'm not sure if you're average American is going to get it anymore though
 

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As long as trump wants to stomach a government shutdown on his watch, under no shape or form should democrats be codifying project 2025. That would make it virtually impossible to rebuild

Trump doesn't care if the government shuts down. How many times did it happen last time around?

stop using loaded language and share a link to how this does xyz


buttery emails

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We are gaining a chance to show Americans what we are willing to fight for.

A sizable portion of working class Americans have somehow decided that they are not sure which party has their best interests at heart.

A lot of these Americans don't tune in to politics and never pay attention to the US government, a shutdown is one of the few exceptions to that.

So let them tune in and find out why Republicans, who have the Presidency and both houses of Congress are unable to keep it open.

And why Democrats are unwilling to let them implement an agenda that will end up harming millions if Americans, especially the most vulnerable.

I don't care if this is a fight we end up losing, I just want us to lose it in public.
Yep, would be a great time to advertise to the nation that this is where Republican governance leads to, but also to broadcast out your own vision for the future and why a healthy, strong government is so important. It's basically a massive spotlight on DC, but the do-nothing Dems have lost the muscle memory to know how to cut an actual pro-government promo, so they're scared of their own shadow.
 

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Brehs, I never hear anything about Trans rights in my day until I read this thread :mjlol:

That said, I've forced myself to read up on how the right have used this as a culture war flash point.

I think that Democrats have a bad hand in trying to prove that these are people and not freaks but the right wing media is just a juggernaut. Even I have reservations against letting people that were born biologically male competing against women in sports.

Think about Lia Thomas, the Penn swimmer.

Rank as a male swimmer: 462 in the nation
Rank as a female swimmer: 1 in the nation

What do you do with that brehs?

Should Lia be able to live her life with dignity and respect from others? I certainly think so but sports is a weird place and the unfortunate thing might be exclusion. I don't pretend to have a good answer here, but I see Montell Jordan as a male swimmer and I see Michael Jordan as a female swimmer.

Until there is some sort of solution that makes sense to the most people, this is going to be a culture war argument that Democrats will be blasted over.
 

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Brehs, I never hear anything about Trans rights in my day until I read this thread :mjlol:

That said, I've forced myself to read up on how the right have used this as a culture war flash point.

I think that Democrats have a bad hand in trying to prove that these are people and not freaks but the right wing media is just a juggernaut. Even I have reservations against letting people that were born biologically male competing against women in sports.

Think about Lia Thomas, the Penn swimmer.

Rank as a male swimmer: 462 in the nation
Rank as a female swimmer: 1 in the nation

What do you do with that brehs?

Should Lia be able to live her life with dignity and respect from others? I certainly think so but sports is a weird place and the unfortunate thing might be exclusion. I don't pretend to have a good answer here, but I see Montell Jordan as a male swimmer and I see Michael Jordan as a female swimmer.

Until there is some sort of solution that makes sense to the most people, this is going to be a culture war argument that Democrats will be blasted over.

In cold strategy, trans right 100% support, isn't worth the votes it loses. Where Harris lost was in places where trans rights don't play well. Doesn't mean it was all about that. But, swing areas like Glendale AZ, or suburban Michigan aren't passionate about trans rights. At best they are ambivalent.

Democrats have to be able to say we are not the party of trans right, and we are not a party of hate, BUT we support common sense protections for men and women. That brings voters in, and doesn't reject people who are less tolerant of trans rights.
 
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Editorial: Shut it down, if you must

Normally, we would not endorse a shutdown of the U.S. government. But nothing about this moment in American history is normal. If a shutdown, or the threat of one, is what brings congressional Republicans to their senses, or at least to the negotiating table, so be it.

Democrats who have pleaded helplessness in the face of one-party control of the government would be irresponsible not to seize the opportunity they finally have to insist on a return to some semblance of constitutional order.

We do not suggest this lightly. A partial shutdown, which would happen without a spending plan in place by the end of day Friday, would be disruptive to the country, the federal workforce, the already-beleaguered markets and the overall economy.

But the nation is at a crossroads, brought there in just seven weeks by Donald J. Trump’s second term. Under Republican control, Congress has abandoned its constitutional authority and responsibilities as a coequal branch of government, ceding to Mr. Trump the power to remake the U.S. government however he and Elon Musk, the richest man in the world, see fit.

But congressional Republicans have been largely sitting out this debacle, leaving it to courts and various litigants to take up the cause of forcing the president to comply with the laws of the land and constitutional order. It’s as if they prefer an unchecked strongman to a law-abiding president — as long, of course, as that authoritarian is one of their own.

In furtherance of that apparent desire, the House of Representatives passed a continuing resolution to keep the government running past Friday. The resolution makes a few tweaks to spending, but largely hands Mr. Trump a blank check and a free pass to keep doing exactly what he and Mr. Musk have been doing, with no accountability and, increasingly, less and less transparency.
Republicans were even willing, in separate legislation, to give up the power for the rest of the year to intervene in Mr. Trump’s tariff war by repealing the national emergency declarations he has been using as an excuse to impose them. Why in the world would they do that, except to hand themselves an excuse for future inaction?

And then the House dumped the continuing resolution in the Senate’s lap and left town for the week.

That leaves Senate Democrats with one significant bit of leverage — the filibuster, which allows such legislation to be blocked unless it can get 60 votes. With only 53 Republican senators, the continuing resolution will need seven Democrats (or independents who caucus with them) to get on board.
Even with the threat that Mr. Trump and his fellow Republicans will try to put the entire blame for a shutdown on them, Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer and his conference should insist on a better deal for the American people.

At a minimum, such a deal must require the executive branch to get Congress’ permission to undo laws and spending bills and reinvent the government itself.

We don’t dispute that Mr. Trump won the presidency and that voters gave Republicans control of the House and Senate, which affords them great latitude to accomplish their goals. But under the Constitution, governance must still be a collective effort, with the president following the wishes of the people’s representatives. If the process of finding agreement even among themselves on how government should be designed and funded is too much work for Republicans to bother with, they have no business being in office.

And it’s also important to remember that Mr. Trump’s margin of victory was one of the lowest in U.S. history (the 11th lowest out of 47), and that the GOP holds a razor-thin edge in the House and a 53-47 majority in the Senate. They have no sweeping mandate.

Democrats have the chance to give voice to the tens of millions of Americans who entrusted their votes to them — and those who polls suggest are having buyer’s remorse for supporting Mr. Trump. This is also their moment to stand up for the Constitution that they swore an oath to support and defend. They can either fight for a solution, or run the risk of being complicit in the problem.
 
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