Game of Thrones - House of the Dragon Spoilers Thread

[Piff Perkins]

I didn't watch that leaked scene but from what ppl are describing...man this show is really trying and failing hard to make the greens sympathetic. A major problem is that most of these characters are getting little to no screen time, and certainly no development. Aemond is just the guy who stole a dragon from his cousins, started a fight, and later kept being a dikk to them. I get that there hasn't been much time to develop them and even Jaimie Lannister would seem like a bad guy to viewers in S1, but the lack of scene diversity for the greens is wild.

Definitively making Aegon a rapist was also a terrible decision. Ensures most people cannot fukk with him. Flip side people love the blacks unwavering. People don't even care or remember Daemon killed his first wife lol. I'd expect that to slowly shift a bit as time goes on. Specifically next season when Blood and Cheese happens.

Trying to make Alicent sympathetic, having her mishear a prophesy etc...come on. She wants the throne to protect her family. That should be good enough. And if her children were going to be portrayed as dikks to Rhae's children (which they were in the books, yes) the show could have at least done something to show them in different contexts outside of their rivalry. Having Aemond prevent Aegon from harassing a handmaiden for instance. Having a scene with Viserys actually being a dad to them, teaching them about diplomacy or being mindful of smallfolk. The show has been so focused on 3-4 characters that just about everything else has been undeveloped or ignored.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

What they change it for? That
bytch ain't put the battery in his back?

Because it was stupid as fukk. Some bytch you just met is going to coerce you to slay your nephew and start a civil war? Retard shyt

This shyt was way better. Aemond ends up a cartoon type villian but he wasn't birthed like that. He started a civil war because he's an idiot who couldn't control his emotions and his dragon.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

I didn't watch that leaked scene but from what ppl are describing...man this show is really trying and failing hard to make the greens sympathetic. A major problem is that most of these characters are getting little to no screen time, and certainly no development. Aemond is just the guy who stole a dragon from his cousins, started a fight, and later kept being a dikk to them. I get that there hasn't been much time to develop them and even Jaimie Lannister would seem like a bad guy to viewers in S1, but the lack of scene diversity for the greens is wild.

Definitively making Aegon a rapist was also a terrible decision. Ensures most people cannot fukk with him. Flip side people love the blacks unwavering. People don't even care or remember Daemon killed his first wife lol. I'd expect that to slowly shift a bit as time goes on. Specifically next season when Blood and Cheese happens.

Trying to make Alicent sympathetic, having her mishear a prophesy etc...come on. She wants the throne to protect her family. That should be good enough. And if her children were going to be portrayed as dikks to Rhae's children (which they were in the books, yes) the show could have at least done something to show them in different contexts outside of their rivalry. Having Aemond prevent Aegon from harassing a handmaiden for instance. Having a scene with Viserys actually being a dad to them, teaching them about diplomacy or being mindful of smallfolk. The show has been so focused on 3-4 characters that just about everything else has been undeveloped or ignored.

This...my biggest criticism of the show is the lack of relationships shown between the core characters. They focused so much on Viserys who was always going to die that they didn't flesh out the rest of the cast and how they interact.

10 episodes in and Alicent has talked to Aemond what twice? Aegon like 4 times? Aemond has talked to Aegon twice? Neither has any scenes directly interacting with Rhaynera. It's so strange. Episode 10 is the first conversation Rhay has had with Luc and than his lights get turned off? For such a focused story that doesn't have the sprawling world traveling like thrones they either needed devote more scenes to the characters that will participate in the dance and less on Viserys or they just needed to make it the pre dance period two seasons.

 

[jay211]

I didn't watch that leaked scene but from what ppl are describing...man this show is really trying and failing hard to make the greens sympathetic. A major problem is that most of these characters are getting little to no screen time, and certainly no development. Aemond is just the guy who stole a dragon from his cousins, started a fight, and later kept being a dikk to them. I get that there hasn't been much time to develop them and even Jaimie Lannister would seem like a bad guy to viewers in S1, but the lack of scene diversity for the greens is wild.

Definitively making Aegon a rapist was also a terrible decision. Ensures most people cannot fukk with him. Flip side people love the blacks unwavering. People don't even care or remember Daemon killed his first wife lol. I'd expect that to slowly shift a bit as time goes on. Specifically next season when Blood and Cheese happens.

Trying to make Alicent sympathetic, having her mishear a prophesy etc...come on. She wants the throne to protect her family. That should be good enough. And if her children were going to be portrayed as dikks to Rhae's children (which they were in the books, yes) the show could have at least done something to show them in different contexts outside of their rivalry. Having Aemond prevent Aegon from harassing a handmaiden for instance. Having a scene with Viserys actually being a dad to them, teaching them about diplomacy or being mindful of smallfolk. The show has been so focused on 3-4 characters that just about everything else has been undeveloped or ignored.

This is an incredible description of the issues. Because in Game of Thrones, no matter if they were villanious like Twyin, Littlefinger, etc. You got scenes with them to flesh them out, and understand their perspectives and motivations. Twyin (in theory) should be a villain, but we understand him, and he was such a fleshed out charcater, many people like him.


You are right, we only get "real scenes" with Rhae and her family. And I don't fukk with the Greens or Otto. lol But damn, they could give them more character scenes than seeing them scheming etc.

The Brehlaryons (who I fukk with heavy) have way more character scenes to understand their perspective/motivations.

 

[Warren Peace]

finna watch it AGAIN

 

[Devilinurear]

I just downloaded the torrent. I'm gonna have to watch without my wife and then act surprised on Sunday when we watch it together.

@mrshatecoffe

 

[Warren Peace]

This...my biggest criticism of the show is the lack of relationships shown between the core characters. They focused so much on Viserys who was always going to die that they didn't flesh out the rest of the cast and how they interact.

10 episodes in and Alicent has talked to Aemond what twice? Aegon like 4 times? Aemond has talked to Aegon twice? Neither has any scenes directly interacting with Rhaynera. It's so strange. Episode 10 is the first conversation Rhay has had with Luc and than his lights get turned off? For such a focused story that doesn't have the sprawling world traveling like thrones they either needed devote more scenes to the characters that will participate in the dance and less on Viserys or they just needed to make it the pre dance period two seasons.

i still think it's a solid season, though they missed an opportunity with rhaenyra not interacting with aegon a single time before the inevitable happens in the future.

They've got a good foundation they can build upon for future seasons. I'm not too worried about characterization because they've got three or so more seasons to flesh these characters out, as well as three more to have alicent and rhaenyra turn into absolute hateballs

 

[South Paw]

Great finale, give it 9/10 like that they paced out some of the stuff people were speculating on for the start of season 2

should slow down the hate about them moving too fast.

Spoiler

man Arrax had to just keep going

 

[Stop_It_5]

i don't mind the aemond change too much honestly. scene was still cool. him laughing flying around bullying luke on vhagar was fukking hilarious.

rhaenyra fukking carried this episode. i've been sour on her since the actress changed, but this was a really good performance for her.

I think the direction they took with Aemond was great for a few reasons :

1) "The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion. They're a power man should have never trifled with. One that brought Valyria its doom. If we don't mind our own histories, it will do the same to us."

It brings that Viserys quote full circle, and shows that this war is ultimately sparked because two young Targs couldn't control power that was way over their head

2) It puts Aemond in an incredible predicament, where he either has to :

A) Admit he lost control of Vhagar and be looked down upon as weak and questioned as to whether he should be at the helm of the biggest nuke in Westeros

B) Fall on the sword as a kinslayer that went into business for himself and have all the bloodshed that follows be on his hands, despite being the historian/philosopher/warrior while his brother was supposed to be the shythead capable of a stunt like this

 

[iseetrolledpeople]

This dude with the spoiler tag in the spoiler thread is the type to follow the cdc guidelines ok sexing with a mask on

 

[Ozymandeas]

In this world, 16 is a man of age already and he was under a peace banner, if it happened in a more honorable place they wouldn't had let Aemond go after him.

True

 

[Ozymandeas]

Because it was stupid as fukk. Some bytch you just met is going to coerce you to slay your nephew and start a civil war? Retard shyt

This shyt was way better. Aemond ends up a cartoon type villian but he wasn't birthed like that. He started a civil war because he's an idiot who couldn't control his emotions and his dragon.

Yea. I like this better. Kinslaying is a major major no no in their culture. Aemond would know this and wouldn’t want to defile his name, especially when he’s still desiring the throne. He wanted to bully him and maybe take an eye but he wouldn’t kill his family member. I like that this scene proved King Viserys right…that their control over the dragons is an illusion…which he would know better than anyone riding Balerion. Now, Aemond is stuck in a fukked up situation because we know he didn’t mean to kill Lucerys but because of how gruesome it was, because of his side of the family overreaching for power, and because of Aemond’s reputation and how they were arguing at Storm’s End, nobody is going to believe it wasn’t intentional. Now he has to fight on that lie. It was a brilliant decision to change it imo

 

[Piff Perkins]

This...my biggest criticism of the show is the lack of relationships shown between the core characters. They focused so much on Viserys who was always going to die that they didn't flesh out the rest of the cast and how they interact.

10 episodes in and Alicent has talked to Aemond what twice? Aegon like 4 times? Aemond has talked to Aegon twice? Neither has any scenes directly interacting with Rhaynera. It's so strange. Episode 10 is the first conversation Rhay has had with Luc and than his lights get turned off? For such a focused story that doesn't have the sprawling world traveling like thrones they either needed devote more scenes to the characters that will participate in the dance and less on Viserys or they just needed to make it the pre dance period two seasons.

You wouldn't even know Rhae and Aegon/Aemond are sibling. They have no dialogue together. Even before that...Laenor had no dialogue scenes with his sister, whose death later became a plot point. Rhae had two scenes with Harwin Strong, and barely 5 lines of dialogue, before it was revealed they were lovers after the time jump. Even with Erryk and Arryk last week...they couldn't have had a scene 3-4 eps ago of someone (Viserys/Alicent/Rhae/etc) saying "you guys are twins?" Maybe a scene of them training with Cole and Aemond?

I watched a bit of GoT S1 and the difference in quality of storytelling is stark. I've had nice things to say about HOTD, it's a good show and reminds me of the early GoT seasons...but on a pure storytelling perspective they dropped the ball about 10 times this season on big things. The exhaustive amount of "two people talking" scenes in the early eps, typically focused on Viserys and Rhae, hurt the development of a lot of characters.

I also think the show is being too faithful to the books. If you can't even give characters some brief scenes, why include them in the show? Martin is out here saying that Daeron Targaryen will be in S2. Why? Surely audiences are going to scoff when someone says "oh btw Queen Alicent remember your youngest child, who you haven't mentioned at all and there's been no reference to? Yes him. He'll be coming into town next week." LOL. They need to get back to the GoT practice of mixing characters together to save space and focus on more important stuff.

 

[Warren Peace]

You wouldn't even know Rhae and Aegon/Aemond are sibling. They have no dialogue together. Even before that...Laenor had no dialogue scenes with his sister, whose death later became a plot point. Rhae had two scenes with Harwin Strong, and barely 5 lines of dialogue, before it was revealed they were lovers after the time jump. Even with Erryk and Arryk last week...they couldn't have had a scene 3-4 eps ago of someone (Viserys/Alicent/Rhae/etc) saying "you guys are twins?" Maybe a scene of them training with Cole and Aemond?

I watched a bit of GoT S1 and the difference in quality of storytelling is stark. I've had nice things to say about HOTD, it's a good show and reminds me of the early GoT seasons...but on a pure storytelling perspective they dropped the ball about 10 times this season on big things. The exhaustive amount of "two people talking" scenes in the early eps, typically focused on Viserys and Rhae, hurt the development of a lot of characters.

I also think the show is being too faithful to the books. If you can't even give characters some brief scenes, why include them in the show? Martin is out here saying that Daeron Targaryen will be in S2. Why? Surely audiences are going to scoff when someone says "oh btw Queen Alicent remember your youngest child, who you haven't mentioned at all and there's been no reference to? Yes him. He'll be coming into town next week." LOL. They need to get back to the GoT practice of mixing characters together to save space and focus on more important stuff.

the worst thing in this is the fact that the first time we see aegon and rhaenyra speaking with one another is when she fukking dies

 

[Elle Seven]

the worst thing in this is the fact that the first time we see aegon and rhaenyra speaking with one another is when she fukking dies

Thinking about the general details of the Dance...you are right. Wow! I was thinking of when they were at the dinner and when Aemond's eye was taken, but you're right - we never see them directly talk to each other.

Maybe they might add some flashback scenes of them interacting while Viserys was still alive to make up for this fact. I don't know, but now that you mention it, I see how much they dropped the ball with this.