Game of Thrones - House of the Dragon Spoilers Thread

[Elle Seven]

Ending scene is on YT for those interested. Crazy to see it on screen.

 

[Piff Tannen]

Spoiler: End scene

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Wouldn't recommend watching the leak. Something is up with the audio. It's subtle but they are talking either too fast or the syncing is off. The content of the episode is magnificent though. Best episode of the season.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Spoiler: End scene

That's the look of someone that knows he fukked up

His death never sat right with me. I don't understand why he was traveling alone for one. He's still a kid, like 14-15 IIRC. Why would Rhaenyra ever send him out there by himself? Two, the Baratheons knew they were about to get into a fight and didn't try to intervene. They should've kept Lucerys there for a while until Aemond was gone or until someone else could come to escort him back home. Three, now I see the scene, I wish Lucerys waited in the tunnels. Vhagar was too big to go down there and eventually Aemond would have got annoyed and left.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Just saw the end scene.

Looks like no blood and cheese

That wouldn't be in S1 anyway. It happens some time after Rhae learns about what happened. It'll likely be how S2's first ep ends.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Book readers still debate who actually "won", and usually conclude any victory was pyrrhic. I believe this is the point GRRM wanted to make.

Yes the Targaryen line continues through Rhaenyra and Daemon, so they "won" the war of bloodlines.

But Aegon II won the war of legitimacy, as he goes down in the history books as the rightful King, and Rhaenyra goes down in the history books as a usurper that attempted to steal her brother's birthright.

Rhaenyra is not listed in the history as one of the rulers of of the Seven Kingdoms despite the fact that she sat on the Iron Throne and ruled Kings Landing for a time. Her short reign on the Iron Throne is considered an illegal occupation in the official records. Also Aegon III is considered Aegon II's heir, instead of his own mother.

They say history is written by the victors, and the history and records says Aegon II won the war of legitimacy over his traitor sister and put an end to her tyranny.

By the time of Game of Thrones, Stannis considers Rhaenyra a usurper that died a traitors death.

The faith says the gods judged Rhaenyra as unfit, the smallfolk remembers her as Maegor with teats, in her own family Targaryen history lore she is remembered as the woman that caused the city to kill off the dragons, and the law says she was a pretender and rebel. This is her victory.

Aegon III and Viserys II both had the opportunity to honor their mother by legitimizing her in the public record, making her Rhaenyra Targaryen I, First of her name, but they never did. In the end, she only succeeded in being the mother of Kings.

I agree with your assessment for the most part. Neither side won. They lost their dragons and butchered their house. Had the Dance never happened, Robert would have never been able to kill them off centuries later.

To your point though....we can't forget that Westeros is an extremely chauvinistic society. So even if Aegon III and Viserys II did not think their mother was a traitor, they could have still been sexist in their own beliefs and thought that women shouldn't rule. In that type of society.......it's one thing to mourn your mother, it's another to say she should have been the Queen. Also, they could have just thought it was a losing battle and figured it made more sense to leave old conflicts in the past....knowing that if they attempted to bring it up again, the lords would fight them tooth and nail. And now of course, they have no dragons, so they have to be alot more careful about how they rule. Saying that Rhaenrya was the rightful Queen sets a precedent that women can be rulers in Westeros which would NEVER be accepted. To me, that makes sense for why Aegon III let it go. It reminds me a bit of Queen Elizabeth and Mary, Queen of Scots. They fought over the throne and Elizabeth ended up chopping off her head. In the end, Mary's son James became King of England and Scotland. He never legitimized his mother. Likely, for the same reason of not wanting to stir up old conflicts. And in terms of Viserys II, he became King after Aegon's sons (Daeron and Baelor) died but, technically, Aegon's daughter Daena was still alive and if Rhaenrya was legitimized as Queen by Viserys then it would be confusing why he was on the Iron Throne and not the previous King's daughter so he wasn't gonna say shyt either

 

[Devilinurear]

That's the look of someone that knows he fukked up

His death never sat right with me. I don't understand why he was traveling alone for one. He's still a kid, like 14-15 IIRC. Why would Rhaenyra ever send him out there by himself? Two, the Baratheons knew they were about to get into a fight and didn't try to intervene. They should've kept Lucerys there for a while until Aemond was gone or until someone else could come to escort him back home. Three, now I see the scene, I wish Lucerys waited into the tunnels. Vhagar was too big to go down there and eventually Aemond would have got annoyed and left.

I know in the show they age characters up but in the books 14 is considered being a man. Jon and Rob started out 15 I think.

 

[HARLEM AL]

Spoiler: End scene

Wtf, they took it down before I could finish it. I had that look the whole time……

That’s fukkED up what he did.

 

[FukyourFort]

Wtf, they took it down before I could finish it. I had that look the whole time……

That’s fukkED up what he did.

They took it down so explain it to me in spoilers please

 

[Ozymandeas]

They took it down so explain it to me in spoilers please

Aemond was trying to bully him not realizing that dragons are like pit bulls. Vhagar had other ideas unfortunately

 

[FukyourFort]

Aemond was trying to bully him not realizing that dragons are like pit bulls. Vhagar had other ideas unfortunately

creepin on a come up

I dont know why they made Aemond "remorseful". what did he think would happen chasing that lil nikka? lol

 

[Jmare007]

The leak I saw had perfect audio and it looked great. Great season finale. Not sure how I feel about the Blacks being painted as the good guys but I guess a decision was made to make the story more digestible. Even with Blood & Cheese, the blame (in the viewer's eyes) will fall onto Daemond so the Blacks will continue to be the babyfaces of this feud

Can't wait for the GOAT set, Stark set, to be back on HBO next season

 

[South Paw]

I agree with your assessment for the most part. Neither side won. They lost their dragons and butchered their house. Had the Dance never happened, Robert would have never been able to kill them off centuries later.

To your point though....we can't forget that Westeros is an extremely chauvinistic society. So even if Aegon III and Viserys II did not think their mother was a traitor, they could have still been sexist in their own beliefs and thought that women shouldn't rule. In that type of society.......it's one thing to mourn your mother, it's another to say she should have been the Queen. Also, they could have just thought it was a losing battle and figured it made more sense to leave old conflicts in the past....knowing that if they attempted to bring it up again, the lords would fight them tooth and nail. And now of course, they have no dragons, so they have to be alot more careful about how they rule. Saying that Rhaenrya was the rightful Queen sets a precedent that women can be rulers in Westeros which would NEVER be accepted. To me, that makes sense for why Aegon III let it go. It reminds me a bit of Queen Elizabeth and Mary, Queen of Scots. They fought over the throne and Elizabeth ended up chopping off her head. In the end, Mary's son James became King of England and Scotland. He never legitimized his mother. Likely, for the same reason of not wanting to stir up old conflicts. And in terms of Viserys II, he became King after Aegon's sons (Daeron and Baelor) died but, technically, Aegon's daughter Daena was still alive and if Rhaenrya was legitimized as Queen by Viserys then it would be confusing why he was on the Iron Throne and not the previous King's daughter so he wasn't gonna say shyt either

was having this debate in the main thread was trying to saw nobody won and they was flipping out about how theres a clear winner cuz somebody ends up on the throne

I disagreed

 

[Diunx]

Didn't love that Aemond didn't killed him intentionally but other than that the scene was incredible

People whining about the change of actors hopefully the last few episodes showed them why they did it, the acting is on another level.

 

[Diunx]

That's the look of someone that knows he fukked up

His death never sat right with me. I don't understand why he was traveling alone for one. He's still a kid, like 14-15 IIRC. Why would Rhaenyra ever send him out there by himself? Two, the Baratheons knew they were about to get into a fight and didn't try to intervene. They should've kept Lucerys there for a while until Aemond was gone or until someone else could come to escort him back home. Three, now I see the scene, I wish Lucerys waited in the tunnels. Vhagar was too big to go down there and eventually Aemond would have got annoyed and left.

In this world, 16 is a man of age already and he was under a peace banner, if it happened in a more honorable place they wouldn't had let Aemond go after him.