Game of Thrones - "House Of The Dragon" Official Threads (NO SPOILERS....ZERO)

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Hopefully, was rumored, but hasnt been confirmed yet.
I expect them to, just so they can put Balerion on screen.

But expect them to have him played by a lightskin breh in his younger years, cuz you know Hollywood loves to pretend we can go from Mahomes to Jordan all in the same lifetime.
 

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Nah House of the Dragon from the very beginning was always a Dance of the Dragons adaptation.

GRRM pitched two shows to HBO when they asked him for spinoffs - The Dance, and a Dunk and Egg adaptation. Ryan Condal had previously met with GRRM and asked if he could develop Dunk and Egg. But HBO originally declined Dunk and Egg and instead tabbed Carly Wray to develop the Dance adaptation. GRRM and Carly could not agree on where to start the show in the timeline. George wanted to start earlier, Carly wanted to start later, so HBO next went to Bryan Cogman (who was still working on writing the final season of Game of Thrones) who developed his pitch but saw it get declined in favor of the Long Night prequel show by Jane Goldman.

GRRM still persisted in wanting to see the Dance adapted so he personally met his friend Ryan Condal for dinner and hired him on the spot to develop the Dance. They then met at GRRM's house, opened the book, argued about where to start, found a compromise starting point, broke the pilot together, wrote a series bible, and then took it to HBO.

GRRM has spoken several times about how HBO wasn't really listening to his ideas and desires at this point. HBO was hiring their own writers to develop shows completely independently from GRRM. For instance, he had no idea they were even developing the Long Night show at the same time they asked him for spinoff ideas, and was surprised to learn they had that in development, plus like 10 other shows they were kicking around. He's since said that many of the writers HBO hired had never even read his books, and that he didn't want to go through that, which is why he wanted Ryan Condal specifically.

Once HBO received the $30 million filmed pilot for The Long Night prequel (called Bloodmoon), they screened it for execs, canceled it because it wasn't up to par to be their big spinoff series, and ordered a full series of the Condal and GRRM created Dance adaptation, which they named House of the Dragon. Then Ryan went to Miguel to see if he wanted to come on board as co-show runner, since he and Miguel had worked together in the past and Miguel had name cache from his work on Thrones.

What Miguel has said is they could conceivably turn House of the Dragon into an anthology, meaning they keep the branding "House of the Dragon" as an umbrella for other Targaryen stories throughout their 300 year history in Westeros. But that isn't set in stone, he was speaking hypothetically about what they could do once they finish the story of the Dance. But that was never the initial plan. In fact, Aegon's Conquest got it's own pitch already - they were going to write Aegon the Conqueror as a drunk :mjlol:

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One effort was a script about the destruction of the ancient Targaryen empire of Valyria by Max Borenstein (Kong: Skull Island), another was a take on the Dornish warrior queen Nymeria by Oscar winner Brian Helgeland (L.A. Confidential) and yet another — like much in this story, never before reported — was about Aegon’s conquest of Westeros and penned by Rand Ravich and Far Shariat (The Astronaut’s Wife). That script portrayed the William the Conqueror-inspired figure as a drunken lout.

Why does Hollywood always try and reinvent the wheel?

Huge world with massively successful character basis, becomes their most successful series.... what do they do next?

Try and cut out the guy who literally brainstormed this entire setting and plot to hand it off to people who've never even read his books.

Tell me how that makes any sense?

Why do they grab these ips so tightly if they're just gonna discard what even drove their original popularity?
 

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Last episode should've been titled 'Big Bank takes Little Bank'.

Why does Hollywood always try and reinvent the wheel?

Huge world with massively successful character basis, becomes their most successful series.... what do they do next?

Try and cut out the guy who literally brainstormed this entire setting and plot to hand it off to people who've never even read his books.

Tell me how that makes any sense?

Why do they grab these ips so tightly if they're just gonna discard what even drove their original popularity?

Money.
 

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Why does Hollywood always try and reinvent the wheel?

Huge world with massively successful character basis, becomes their most successful series.... what do they do next?

Try and cut out the guy who literally brainstormed this entire setting and plot to hand it off to people who've never even read his books.

Tell me how that makes any sense?

Why do they grab these ips so tightly if they're just gonna discard what even drove their original popularity?
It took Season 8 of thrones bombing with fans and a terrible screening of Bloodmon before HBO execs we like, "do we still have George's number? Get him on the phone:francis:"

The meeting was about The Dance of the Dragons. Martin was still determined to get his Targaryen epic made. “George was frustrated because this was the story he really wanted to tell,” Condal recalls.

“I wasn’t ready to give up on it,” Martin says. “And I liked Ryan’s writing and he really knew my world well — which was a big thing.”


The next day, Condal received a call from his agents. “They said, ‘Did you have a meeting with George R.R. Martin yesterday?’” Condal says. “‘Because HBO just called based on that and made an offer.’”

The swiftness of HBO getting on board with Martin’s desire to hire Condal was the beginning of a pivot in the author’s relationship with the network. During the latter seasons of Thrones and the early years of HBO hunting for a successor series, Martin sometimes felt out of the loop. But after the original show’s season eight backlash, when many fans protested that the storylines felt rushed to conclusion (Martin had long advocated making Thrones 10 seasons long) and around the time HBO produced and rejected Bloodmoon, all agree Martin’s influence rose within the company. Put simply, HBO thought, “Hey, maybe we ought to listen more to that guy who created all this.”
 

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Last episode should've been titled 'Big Bank takes Little Bank'.



Money.
That doesn't even make any sense though?

You pay truckloads of cash to buy the rights to a universe/ip and then you cut out the people who built your moneymaker?

If money was everything then they wouldn't have needed to buy the rights to ASOIAF and could've just made their own multibillion dollar ip from scratch then, right?

Wrong.

They saw that people responded to the world the guy created but then somehow get the notion that they know better than him what the people respond to?

If that was the case, the book accurate/faithful seasons wouldn't be the ones that carried the show through the 4 awful ones.
 

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It took Season 8 of thrones bombing with fans and a terrible screening of Bloodmon before HBO execs we like, "do we still have George's number? Get him on the phone:francis:"

That's wild. Also confirms that despite how cordial Martin has been about the final seasons of GoT it was clear, via little things he'd say, that he wasn't fukking with it. Disconcerting that it took all this for HBO to finally listen to the man. Also major L for David and Dan. If they had even halfway landed GoT right it would have been celebrated as an achievement, and they'd likely get producer credits on any spin offs merely as a "here you go" payday.

Martin was 100% right. And all the flaws S1 had in terms of characterization and pacing will be improved in S2, with no more plot jumps and the introduction of some seminal characters and familiar house.

David and Dan blew all this up over a Star Wars opportunity that ultimately never came to fruition. Amazing. Almost, almost feels like Disney was tampering....
 

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Yo people were complaining about the time jumps, but it took 1 chapter (54 pages) to tell episodes 1-8 in the book. From the Great Council meeting right up to viserys death. If anything the show expanded on the storyline much more than the book did. Aemond claiming vhagar and fighting the strong boys happened like in 2 paragraphs:heh: then a couple pages later he's grown the way the show depicted him.I'm even more impressed by the showrunners after reading that chapter, I truly hope they keep the same momentum going forward into season 2
 
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That doesn't even make any sense though?

You pay truckloads of cash to buy the rights to a universe/ip and then you cut out the people who built your moneymaker?

If money was everything then they wouldn't have needed to buy the rights to ASOIAF and could've just made their own multibillion dollar ip from scratch then, right?

Wrong.

They saw that people responded to the world the guy created but then somehow get the notion that they know better than him what the people respond to?

If that was the case, the book accurate/faithful seasons wouldn't be the ones that carried the show through the 4 awful ones.
Pretty sure its a control thing. Studios always try to separate creators from their IP so they can do whatever they want with no pushback. Studios don't want to answer to anyone but themselves.
 

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Pretty sure its a control thing. Studios always try to separate creators from their IP so they can do whatever they want with no pushback. Studios don't want to answer to anyone but themselves.
And that lost them a shytload of money. GRRM wanted to make GoT 10 Seasons. DD wanted to rush it to do the Star Wars project and didnt want to let anyone else direct it.
 

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In no particular order

Jaime Lannister
The Hound
The Mountain
Oberyn Martell
Eddard 'Ned' Stark
Arthur Dayne
Robert Baratheon
Brienne of Tarth
Khal Drogo
Grey Worm
Jon Snow

Thats just what we seen on screen too... gotta let him breathe a bit before I hall of fame him but Im a Stan unless he does some outrageously grimey shyt :manny:
SER Barrister selmy >>>>Ned Stark
 

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That's wild. Also confirms that despite how cordial Martin has been about the final seasons of GoT it was clear, via little things he'd say, that he wasn't fukking with it. Disconcerting that it took all this for HBO to finally listen to the man. Also major L for David and Dan. If they had even halfway landed GoT right it would have been celebrated as an achievement, and they'd likely get producer credits on any spin offs merely as a "here you go" payday.

Martin was 100% right. And all the flaws S1 had in terms of characterization and pacing will be improved in S2, with no more plot jumps and the introduction of some seminal characters and familiar house.

David and Dan blew all this up over a Star Wars opportunity that ultimately never came to fruition. Amazing. Almost, almost feels like Disney was tampering....

Bro. I've had this same thought.
 

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Pretty sure its a control thing. Studios always try to separate creators from their IP so they can do whatever they want with no pushback. Studios don't want to answer to anyone but themselves.
Then they're stupid as eff then.

Take something beloved n then run it into the ground with nonsense.

I'm starting to get why the Tolkien estate has been so possessive about their ip, cuz leave it up to Hollywood you'll get some no nothing exec talking about elves on the moon n ish.
 
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