Game of Thrones - "House Of The Dragon" Official Threads (NO SPOILERS....ZERO)

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After Rewatching the episode it’s easily the worst of the series so far and Was Season 8 levels bad writing.
I wouldn’t say it’s the worst but there was definitely some questionable decisions made.
Hiding Aegon in such a stupid place.

I guess we’re supposed to assume the dragon pits extends under building. Not sure where The coronation was held but point remains.

Showing Larys jack off to the queen‘s feet served no purpose .

White Worm talking sideways to Otto was stupid too. She could have made her demands without all the extra tough talk.
 

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:stopitslime: Rhaenys should’ve finished the job, fukk all that for the sake of legitmaticy shyt.

She killed a few hundreds of regular folk…..could’ve saved thousands by ending the shyt right there. Now motherfukkas gonna get drafted to fight a war that they don’t really give af about.


All the intros (Alicent walking with the I declare war green dress, the leper showing up and showing out for his daughter, and Aegon’s coronation) and the cinematography associated with them been fire.


Thought that White Worm was still in Daemon’s pocket…and assumed Dameon already got the drop on Aegon and had that nikka on his was to Dragonstone:russ:.



Minor thing, but why the fukk was buddy trying to sneak Rhaenys away….in full fukking kingsguard with cloak to boot :skip:
 

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"power is POWER" is such a bar..

Cersei really was next level...
She made some sloppy moves, but after she got thru that Light of The Seven shyt…became the character I was rooting for.


I was hoping she would clean all them fools up (including Jamie) after they just saved the whole of humanity:lolbron:
 
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Also, it bothers me that the white widow making those threats vail ass threats. What would make her think she has any leverage anywhere in Kings Landing? Lords with armies aren't even making those threats to the Hand, and yet she makes those statements to his face directly.

Yea, she’s gotta get murked in the finale. Only way she should survive is if the King himself decides to bring her into his service. Her spy network could prove most useful. She could become the inaugural Master of Spies. :ehh:
 
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Ppl keep asking why Rhaenys didn’t kill her own family like we didn’t witness Jamie being shytted on for several seasons for being a kingslayer/kinslayer


And he did it to a nikka that went crazy

:unimpressed:


Jamie was sworn to protect the king. That’s why he gets shytted on. Not comparable to Rhaenys’s situation at all. :camby:
 

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AND WHY DID HE HATE OTTO
AND VIEW THE HIGHTOWERS
AS AN ENEMY TO HIS FAMILY
AT THAT POINT IN THE STORY?

HAD shyt TO DO WITH
HIS FAMILY.
OTTO WAS THE HAND
OF HIS GRANDFATHER
AND NO ENEMY OF THE TARGS.

OTTO NEVER APPROVED OF HIM
AS HEIR NOR HAVING
A SEAT AT THE HIGH COUNCIL.

HE LITERALLY ONLY
CAME BACK TO MARRY RHAE
JUST TO GET CLOSE TO THE
THRONE AGAIN...

IF RHAE WAS A BOY HE
WOULD HAVE MURDERED HIM
ON THAT BRIDGE WITH THE EGG.

HE DOESNT LOVE HER
AND NEVER LOVED HIS BROTHER.
IE SITTING ON THE THRONE,
CELEBRATING THE DEATH OF
VISVERYS SON.

DOESNT GIVE A fukk
ABOUT HIS DAUGHTERS EITHER.

HE WOULD KILL OTTOS
GRANDSONS WITH NO HESITATION...

PROBABLY GONNA KILL RHAES b*stardS TO PUT HIS
SONS IN LINE AND MAYBE
EVENTUALLY KILL RHAE HIMSELF
IF SHE COMES TO POWER.
:devil:
:evil:

All this made up shyt. :mjlol:
 
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Yo @hex @CHICAGO

I could be wrong but I feel like this is a form of dry snitching. :jbhmm:

Now yall correct me if I'm wrong... but I did not know nothing was going down in the rain nor did I want to know. I would have preferred to be totally shocked but now when I watch next week I will be looking for something to happen in the rain scene.

It isn't an outright spoiler but it is close.

I'll let the coli decide tho, if yall say he's cool, he's cool :yeshrug:
:gucci:

You:

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Season 1, Episode 9: ‘The Green Council’

Before we get started this week, let us have a moment of silence for Lord Beesbury.

The ancient master of coin and his meandering financial reports had mostly been a source of light humor on the Small Council until Sunday, when he stood in defiance as one of the few people in the Red Keep with any sense of honor or loyalty. Then Ser Criston killed him for it.

Adding insult to injury, the council left his corpse lying on the table while they plotted. But all in all, Lord Beesbury (Bill Paterson) was one of the lucky ones. His early exit meant that he didn’t have to stick around for an episode that, while it had its good points, was mostly a mess.

As expected, the hour focused on the immediate aftermath of Viserys’s death, specifically the scramble undertaken by Otto and Alicent to install Aegon as king in defiance of Viserys’s stated wish that Rhaenyra succeed him. The episode title, “The Green Council,” signaled that we would be getting the Hightower show this week, and that was more or less how it turned out. (The season finale is called “The Black Queen,” suggesting that we’ll get the other side next Sunday.)

The title also referred specifically to the non-Beesbury faction of the Small Council that, unbeknown to Queen Alicent, us or anyone else, has been working with Otto on a succession scheme for some time. The conspirators kicked these “long-laid plans,” as Tyland Lannister described them, into motion before the king’s body was even covered up.

The plot, which amounted to a kind of palace coup, received serendipitous assistance in the form of Alicent’s bogus claim about the king’s deathbed reversal. (More on that in a minute.) It all led to a mad dash to implement Operation Usurp and Awe, which included securing the treasury, locking Rhaenys in her room, compelling bent knees from former Rhaenyra supporters (and seizing dissenters), searching out Aegon from his presumed whereabouts within the dicier precincts of King’s Landing and then, finally, crowning him in front of everybody to make it official. (I suppose Lord Beesbury’s death counts as the first casualty in the coming conflict to be known as the Dance of the Dragons.)

However, a more fitting episode title would have been “Wait, What?” Because that’s what I kept muttering over and over in response to all the confusing details and jarring detours along the way.

As in, wait, what? The White Worm found and “tucked away” Aegon beneath the altar in the sept, of all places? And she was motivated to do so partly because she wants to end the underground urchin fight club? Which we found out about only 40 seconds ago? And are Aegon’s b*stards participating in it? Or just languishing outside the octagon?
And wait, what? Larys does the bidding of the queen because she indulges his foot fetish? And the coronation is in the Dragonpit? And the Cargyll twins, those conflicted Kingsguard brothers who found Aegon before losing him to Criston and Aemond, are actually named Arryk and Erryk? (I guess that explains why I never knew which one was which. And why I still don’t.)

I ID’d the Cargylls by consulting various online resources after I watched the episode screener. That was also how I confirmed that the Dragonpit was where Aegon was crowned, after cross-referencing its imposing exterior with HBO’s King’s Landing map. Were we supposed to understand that was the Dragonpit from the jump? Or was that part of the surprise of Rhaenys crashing up through the floor on her dragon? And why have a coronation in a Dragonpit anyway? Was that the only venue available on such short notice?

I guess Rhaenys’s smile amid the scrum in the streets, as the plebes were herded toward the ceremony, happened because she, at least, realized where they were being herded, which would allow her to reunite with her precious Meleys. You might recall from earlier in the episode that Alicent did not want her to do that, because it would influence Rhaenyra’s willingness to negotiate for peace rather than declare war. (At least Rhaenys’s big entrance gave the great Eve Best something to do beyond tête-à-têtes in gloomy chambers.)

The upshot of all of the above was that I found myself constantly trying to sort out what I was seeing, at the expense of enjoying the story, or even following it at times. You shouldn’t have to do online research or remember details from the novel or watch after-show segments in order to understand an episode of television. I doubt I was the only confused viewer out there, but in case I was, feel free to let me know all the obvious cues I missed. (For the record, episode screeners don’t have a subtitles option, but those shouldn’t be required to understand the story either.)

And all of this is before we even get to the thing that happened that was also the thing that I was most afraid would happen.

Last week, I held out hope that Viserys’s addled prophecy sharing with Alicent would not amount to a big misunderstanding, à la Criston’s admission to the queen that he had slept with Rhaenyra. But no such luck.

My main objection — besides the fact that, again, they already used this gimmick just a few weeks ago — is that the crazy misunderstanding is one of the lowest forms of sitcom writing, the kind of transparent plot contrivance you might forgive within a half-hour of yuk-yuks but don’t expect to see on a Sunday night on HBO.

Then there is the abundance of Aegons in this story, which is slightly ridiculous on its own and consequently feels even more so when it is the source of a “Who’s on first?” deathbed routine. George R.R. Martin has explained that he patterned all his saga’s name-repeating after real-life royal dynasties — consider how many times England has had a King George or Charles.

But such parallels are more legible within the context of a novel than when coming out of the mouths of characters in a TV show. (See also: Arryk and Erryk, the latter of which my spell-checker keeps changing to “Erik,” which is what they both sound like.) It is within the producers’ power to change the occasional name from the book.

The most meaningful question posed by Alicent’s misunderstanding, from a character standpoint: Did she actually believe that after backing Rhaenyra for decades, Viserys changed his mind at the last minute? Or did she hear what she wanted to hear? Or just lie?

For what it’s worth, in an interview with The New York Times, Olivia Cooke said she thought Alicent’s mishearing of Viserys happened in good faith and was not the product of the queen’s having created her own preferred reality. (“I genuinely think she thinks he’s talking about Aegon, her son,” Cooke said.) Conversely, when I clung to hope last week that they wouldn’t take this silly path, I think I knew they probably would but was projecting my own desire that they not. So perhaps I’m taking it harder than most people will — it definitely contributed to my general annoyance with this disjointed episode.

Ultimately, because Otto’s scheme was already in place, the Greens’ power grab didn’t hinge on Alicent’s misunderstanding. But it certainly helped to sell the plan, and also, perhaps, to convince Alicent to go along with it. (I think she probably would have anyway, despite the support she expressed for Rhaenyra last week.) I guess we’ll see if Rhaenyra ever gets a chance to clear things up for her.

As I said in the beginning, there were some nice moments this week. The dynamic between Aemond and Criston felt lived-in and affectionate, a reminder that, with the general lack of interest Viserys had in his second batch of children — Paddy Considine discussed this last week in an interview with The Times — Criston the sword-trainer likely functioned as a kind of mentor figure.

I also enjoyed the promise of a growing rivalry between Alicent and Otto, based partly on their differing sympathies for Rhaenyra. It could complicate the Hightowers’ attempt to consolidate and hold onto their power.
But overall … not my favorite episode. Here’s hoping next week’s season finale brings more enjoying and less Googling.
 
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