Game changing albums

[CrimsonTider]

I was never a fan of Wayne like that

L

 

[mobbinfms]

It doesn't really matter that they put hard drums under it. They knew what they were doing sampling Sting. Maybe Puff didn't get the idea to remake a Sting song from "The Message", but who was really takong those type of risks and The Hitmen were molded after The Trackmasters especially what The Trackmasters were doing on IWW.

Of course it matters whether the drums and overall feel of the song was hard or not.
That wasn't the first time rappers went beyond R&B, soul jazz etc. to sample. It's about how you execute and the feel of the track.
Look at Brand Nubian's Slow Down. It sample an alternative rock song that was only two years old at that point. A top ten hit. But they made that shyt hard and now it's one of the greatest hip hop songs of all time.

The feeling on the message is far different from I'll Be Missing You.

 

[Blessings]

2006....start of the nike SB/Vans, skinny jeans, hypebeast era

beginning of mumble rap

beginning of today's emo-rap era

 

[mobbinfms]

"Juicy" was far grittier than "Street Dreams". For starters, Biggie's delivery and the song overall was harder than "Street Dreams". Also Nas is singing and Biggie isn't. "Street Dreams" is a predecessor to songs like "Hypnotize".

Couldn't disagree more.
Juicy had a clear "first single" feel to it.
How was Nas' delivery any less hard than Big's?
Nas singing is harder than Total singing.

Street Dreams is in no way a predecessor to Hypnotize.

 

[teeswinger]

The Love Below by Andre 3000...surprised this hasnt been mentioned.

 

[mobbinfms]

Biggie has an entire song where he's singing on LAD. He also sings on "You're Nobody Til Somebody Kills You".

Playa Hater wasn't a serious song though. That was a comedy skit.

You're right about the other one though.
Now imagine how different that song would have felt if Mariah Carey sang that.

 

[mobbinfms]

Hell yes where the fukk where you at

I never heard any of these before.
They're all trash

 

[Larry Lambo]

Big L - The Big Picture... pretty much every punchline rapper that came out after this album in the 00s was doing a cheap imitation of big l.

Lord Finesse did it first.

 

[mobbinfms]

"Killing Me Softly" is just one song and what Lauryn was doing wasn't the same as what Missy was doing. Missy on Supa Dupa Fly was seamlessly transitioning from singing into rapping without batting an eye over production that could work either sphere without people even trying to categorize it as one or the other. Supa Dupa Fly paved the way for a Drake where he could make a song like "Over" or "Headlines" where he does both seamlessly.

Supa Dupa Fly indeed opened up the door for The Neptunes, Swizz, and Mannie. This was the beginning of post- Boom Bap and producers moving toward more left field, avant garde styles of production. After Supa Dupa Fly, we got "Superthug", "Ha", and a host of other songs that were "out there" production wise.

Killing Me Softly was a cover of an R&B song over Bonita Applebaum. It's exactly what you're talking about. And Lauryn was singing and rapping on Other songs on that album. She was the prototype. Not Missy.

Neptunes debuted in 97 on Harlem World.
I would need to see receipts that they got that placement because of Missy.

Need receipts on the Swizz Missy connection as well.

Mannie had been making beats way before Missy and Cash Money got that deal on the strength of No Limit. Not Missy.

There's no connection. That album didn't lead to a shift in production. It was a part of it though.

 

[mobbinfms]

It doesn't matter who used the term trap before him. Nobody was referring to the type of music as trap until after T.I. told people what it was with that album. Every rapper with that type of content was underground on the ATL rap scene until T.I. Cool Breeze nor Ghetto Mafia blew with that style of rap and nobody labeled what they were doing as "trap rap" or "trap music".

So he creates a term that is later fleshed out by other artists?

It would be as if in 2001 some NY rappers created a new style called Murda Muzik.

 

[mobbinfms]

Yeah sure .The feeling, ambiance, and background of the album deff was 80s NYC

Ok. But none of the actual music or rapping.

 

[mobbinfms]

L

He was never that good.
Never made a classic like Jeru Tha Damaja.

 

[UpAndComing]

Ok. But none of the actual music or rapping.

Yeah, but I never said sonically though. The ambiance of it makes it feel like a relic. But I think that was done purposefully

 

[Big Boss]

TM 101 was a gamechanger more than Trap Muzik.....

Also The Love Below birthed 808 and Heartbreaks...

The Love Below was the first time we seen a rapper make a full cd of melodies and about love.

The Chronic
Get Rich or Die Trying
College Dropout
GKMC

Come to mind as CDs that dropped and kinda changed the climate of the rap game

Facts

 

[mobbinfms]

Yeah, but I never said sonically though. The ambiance of it makes it feel like a relic. But I think that was done purposefully

The intro from Wild Style set the tone that way definitely.