From #Set to Shyt: Welcome to Tankonia [2017-18 Atlanta Hawks Season Thread]

[AVXL]

I don’t disagree but I think if Bud comes back it will have been worked out. Otherwise they would just cut him a check and tell him to kick rocks.

I think it might be worked out on the surface but I don't think this goes away. I just think it's a distraction for Bud to stay here if Bud really does want to leave...keep in mind Bud only has 2 more years on his deal. He's essentially a lame duck coach because we're gonna be awful next yr and probably still bad in the last yr of his deal. He's not going to get an extension so why would he stay under this situation? I think Bud is looking at long term self preservation, he's Dead Man Walking here in Atlanta pretty soon

Dont be that guy, you know what I meant when I said president, leadership. CEO, President, VP of bball ops, all leadership.

I wasn't trying to call you out personally, but I did want to be clear about who Koonin is & what he actually does because his title and responsibilities can be misleading to people who don't know his role as CEO

He ain't leaving, trust me, if he do, we will be extremely well compensated which teams are trying not to do which is why Bud is likely staying. This is Atlanta doing an ole to Bud. They had some disagreements and Atlanta wants Bud fully in. He said hes willing but he also wants to see how the market is like. That's all. The Hawks cant just trade Bud. Bud has to want to leave and the Hawks have to agree with the compensation. It's not that easy. This is why Bud is lower on most teams coaching board even if hes by far the best. The cost for Bud and his trade is sky high. Bud wants similar salary and Atlanta wants a high lottery pick in this draft or two mid 1st round picks. Teams are just going through the process. Its highly unlikely Bud will leave.

This is a game of leverage and power. Bud wants out, has the Hawks blessing to explore other opportunities and the Hawks won't release him unless they get what they want. I think it's a bad precedent for the coach to publically want to interview with other teams (there are back channels that teams/coaches establish to keep these things private) and even worse for the team to allow the coach to go talk to other teams. It's shows a lack of commitment and that the key members of the organization are not on the same page

I don't see how you can say it's "highly unlikely" he leaves. Based off of what we know it's 50/50 at best that Bud comes back

 

[#1 pick]

I think it might be worked out on the surface but I don't think this goes away. I just think it's a distraction for Bud to stay here if Bud really does want to leave...keep in mind Bud only has 2 more years on his deal. He's essentially a lame duck coach because we're gonna be awful next yr and probably still bad in the last yr of his deal. He's not going to get an extension so why would he stay under this situation? I think Bud is looking at long term self preservation, he's Dead Man Walking here in Atlanta pretty soon



I wasn't trying to call you out personally, but I did want to be clear about who Koonin is & what he actually does because his title and responsibilities can be misleading to people who don't know his role as CEO



This is a game of leverage and power. Bud wants out, has the Hawks blessing to explore other opportunities and the Hawks won't release him unless they get what they want. I think it's a bad precedent for the coach to publically want to interview with other teams (there are back channels that teams/coaches establish to keep these things private) and even worse for the team to allow the coach to go talk to other teams. It's shows a lack of commitment and that the key members of the organization are not on the same page

I don't see how you can say it's "highly unlikely" he leaves. Based off of what we know it's 50/50 at best that Bud comes back

Bud doesn't want out is all. Look, what you saying makes a lot of sense but from what I am hearing, he doesn't want out. His family loves Atlanta and he does have influence in the organization.

That said, Bud wants to win. He wants to see what his market value is. This much is clear. Also, Atlanta also wants top level compensation for him. Teams are balking but it's not stopping them from doing the interview.

The entire reason he pulled from Phoenix is Atlanta compensation demands were far too great for what they wanted to give. That said, Atlanta will continue to grant Bud these interviews.

95% chance Bud is back. The cost to get him is extremely high. Only Pop and Brad Stevens has as much value on the open market

 

[The ADD]

I think it might be worked out on the surface but I don't think this goes away. I just think it's a distraction for Bud to stay here if Bud really does want to leave...keep in mind Bud only has 2 more years on his deal. He's essentially a lame duck coach because we're gonna be awful next yr and probably still bad in the last yr of his deal. He's not going to get an extension so why would he stay under this situation? I think Bud is looking at long term self preservation, he's Dead Man Walking here in Atlanta pretty soon



I wasn't trying to call you out personally, but I did want to be clear about who Koonin is & what he actually does because his title and responsibilities can be misleading to people who don't know his role as CEO



This is a game of leverage and power. Bud wants out, has the Hawks blessing to explore other opportunities and the Hawks won't release him unless they get what they want. I think it's a bad precedent for the coach to publically want to interview with other teams (there are back channels that teams/coaches establish to keep these things private) and even worse for the team to allow the coach to go talk to other teams. It's shows a lack of commitment and that the key members of the organization are not on the same page

I don't see how you can say it's "highly unlikely" he leaves. Based off of what we know it's 50/50 at best that Bud comes back

I guess my point is that the two sides meet get on the same page or he leaves. From the organization side if they don’t want him here it’s easy to part ways.

 

[AVXL]

Bud doesn't want out is all. Look, what you saying makes a lot of sense but from what I am hearing, he doesn't want out. His family loves Atlanta and he does have influence in the organization.

That said, Bud wants to win. He wants to see what his market value is.This much is clear. Also, Atlanta also wants top level compensation for him. Teams are balking but it's not stopping them from doing the interview.

The entire reason he pulled from Phoenix is Atlanta compensation demands were far too great for what they wanted to give. That said, Atlanta will continue to grant Bud these interviews.

95% chance Bud is back. The cost to get him is extremely high. Only Pop and Brad Stevens has as much value on the open market

The bold is part of the problem. Bud wants to win and the organization is in a full rebuild. I don't understand why he would want to gauge his market value if he were satisfied and on the same page as the organization. I also don't see why the Hawks would allow Bud to talk to other teams if they were 100% happy with Bud. There's no way to spin this as a ho hum, regular situation where your head coach interviews with 2 other teams and possibly more

I guess my point is that the two sides meet get on the same page or he leaves. From the organization side if they don’t want him here it’s easy to part ways.

Yea I think Bud will seek to patch it up because that's still $14 million on the books. I don't think Bud is willing to leave all of that money on the table

 

[#1 pick]

The bold is part of the problem. Bud wants to win and the organization is in a full rebuild. I don't understand why he would want to gauge his market value if he were satisfied and on the same page as the organization. I also don't see why the Hawks would allow Bud to talk to other teams if they were 100% happy with Bud. There's no way to spin this as a ho hum, regular situation where your head coach interviews with 2 other teams and possibly more



Yea I think Bud will seek to patch it up because that's still $14 million on the books. I don't think Bud is willing to leave all of that money on the table

This is year 1 of the rebuild of a 3 year process

 

[AVXL]

This is year 1 of the rebuild of a 3 year process

That math (even if that timeline is 100% accurate) doesn't favor Bud long term. He's got 2 years left on his deal, we're gonna be awful next season and then he'd enter his final year as a lame duck coach with consecutive 50+ loss seasons. Bud's a smart guy, why would he go into the last yr of his deal with no guarantees on a bottom feeding team? Bud has to look at his best interests and being here long term with a GM & owner who didn't hire him in a losing situation isn't the best scenario for him

 

[#1 pick]

That math (even if that timeline is 100% accurate) doesn't favor Bud long term. He's got 2 years left on his deal, we're gonna be awful next season and then he'd enter his final year as a lame duck coach with consecutive 50+ loss seasons. Bud's a smart guy, why would he go into the last yr of his deal with no guarantees on a bottom feeding team? Bud has to look at his best interests and being here long term with a GM & owner who didn't hire him in a losing situation isn't the best scenario for him

It will be the last year, by that point, we should in the playoffs

 

[AVXL]

It will be the last year, by that point, we should in the playoffs

This won't be a playoff team in 2 years breh stop it. Next year should be as bad as it gets and 2 years from now we should slowly start to get back to respectability. And what coach wants to go in to the last year of his contract without the assurance of a contract extension? He's definitely not getting one now and why would the organization be compelled to give Bud one two years from now. Bud's gotta secure the bag now, there's no way if I was Bud I'd just let it play out like you're suggesting

 

[Sly Cookin]

Bud will get paid regardless after this contract. Even if he loses 50 games the next 2 seasons.

By the end of his contract we will be more competitive and have plenty of cap. He can either reup or get a bag where ever he goes

 

[Rickdogg44]

When asked if Bud interviewing with other teams means he's definitely leaving "I think that would be the wrong way to read things...it is unusual but there's a story and it'll come at the right time and everything's quite positive."

this ole high school drama gossip I have a secrets ass shyt...

 

[Rickdogg44]

Bud doesn't want out is all. Look, what you saying makes a lot of sense but from what I am hearing, he doesn't want out. His family loves Atlanta and he does have influence in the organization.

That said, Bud wants to win. He wants to see what his market value is. This much is clear. Also, Atlanta also wants top level compensation for him. Teams are balking but it's not stopping them from doing the interview.

The entire reason he pulled from Phoenix is Atlanta compensation demands were far too great for what they wanted to give. That said, Atlanta will continue to grant Bud these interviews.

95% chance Bud is back. The cost to get him is extremely high. Only Pop and Brad Stevens has as much value on the open market

Go to Suns breh. Go to Knicks breh. Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing aint walking through that door.

I think if we nail this draft (and bud is still the coach) we could be better than we think. We had to drop Illy and Marco b/c we were doing better than expected.

 

[Sly Cookin]

Go to Suns breh. Go to Knicks breh. Charles Barkley and Patrick Ewing aint walking through that door.

I think if we nail this draft (and bud is still the coach) we could be better than we think. We had to drop Illy and Marco b/c we were doing better than expected.

Anybody saying we will be worse is not being realistic. We basically threw games by resting guys.

Prince, bazemore, Dennis, collins all will be better. Then u add a top pick and mid 1st. I can see this team improving by at least 6-8 wins. Especially if bud stays.

The year after that is when I think playoffs become a possibility. Tons of cap space to bring in some veterans. We will be better than most think

 

[AVXL]

Anybody saying we will be worse is not being realistic. We basically threw games by resting guys.

Prince, bazemore, Dennis, collins all will be better. Then u add a top pick and mid 1st. I can see this team improving by at least 6-8 wins. Especially if bud stays.

The year after that is when I think playoffs become a possibility. Tons of cap space to bring in some veterans. We will be better than most think

That's an extremely optimistic outlook. It took 3 drafts for the Warriors to get Steph (2009), Klay (2011) & Draymond (2012). It'll take at least 3 successful drafts for this roster to truly be remade. This draft is obviously extremely important but the next 2 have to be nailed as well.

The goal shouldn't be to make the playoffs, it should be to win a championship. This roster won't be playoff ready in 2 seasons because we're going to be worse next year based on the roster construction strategy that Schlenk wants implemented. I think we should give Schlenk time to really get the guys he wants...it doesn't make sense as a fanbase to set a false expectation that this will be a playoff team in a couple years when Schlenk himself has not committed to a timeline publically yet

 

[Sly Cookin]

That's an extremely optimistic outlook. It took 3 drafts for the Warriors to get Steph (2009), Klay (2011) & Draymond (2012). It'll take at least 3 successful drafts for this roster to truly be remade. This draft is obviously extremely important but the next 2 have to be nailed as well.

The goal shouldn't be to make the playoffs, it should be to win a championship. This roster won't be playoff ready in 2 seasons because we're going to be worse next year based on the roster construction strategy that Schlenk wants implemented. I think we should give Schlenk time to really get the guys he wants...it doesn't make sense as a fanbase to set a false expectation that this will be a playoff team in a couple years when Schlenk himself has not committed to a timeline publically yet

We not really starting from scratch though. Prince and collins are building blocks already.

Gsw didn't have that. Monta ellis was basically in the same position dennis is in. Outside of him they had nothing on the roster.

Point is, we are at a better starting place. My post wasnt really about trying to make the playoffs. I was trying to dispel the notion that we will be even worse next year. I see us picking somewhere around 10th next year still, but we wont be competing for the #1 pick or anything

 

[charmander]

why has bud forsaken us