From a casual's eye, WWE and AEW both look ridiculous and shells of what wrestling used to be

[momma]

I stopped following a few years ago but I decided to check out the Rumble this weekend. Man the product has completely lost its edge, look, and feel, and it's been a gradual descent even from the early and mid 2010's. Everything just looks plastic and kiddy in all the wrong ways. The presentation is all out of wack (I don't know if they slashed the budget for the video production team but I'm really confused by the titantron font choices). The costumes are frequently more miss than hit (why is Asuka wrestling with a T-shirt??).

For the many strides they've made with women's wrestling, it still looks like they don't know what to do with it. I saw a million new characters in that women's Rumble and none of them looked compelling, most entrants as forgettable as the last.

The men's Rumble was actually pretty fun, although I look at Aleister Black who was a complete star in NXT and how his aura is dissolved on the main roster, and it's disappointing. That was a big reason I stopped watching in the first place, how Vince lost his mind and fukked up most of Triple H's creations along the way.

Meanwhile at AEW, it just looks like a larger scale version of TNA.

If I'm a casual or non-fan, I don't know how I can catch glimpses of any of the stuff on FOX or TNT and be compelled to tune in.

 

[Cartier Murphy]

I stopped following a few years agobut I decided to check out the Rumble this weekend. Man the product has completely lost its edge, look, and feel, and it's been a gradual descent even from the early and mid 2010's. Everything just looks plastic and kiddy in all the wrong ways. The presentation is all out of wack (I don't know if they slashed the budget for the video production team but I'm really confused by the titantron font choices). The costumes are frequently more miss than hit (why is Asuka wrestling with a T-shirt??).

For the many strides they've made with women's wrestling, it still looks like they don't know what to do with it. I saw a million new characters in that women's Rumble and none of them looked compelling, most entrants as forgettable as the last.

The men's Rumble was actually pretty fun, although I look at Aleister Black who was a complete star in NXTand how his aura is dissolved on the main roster, and it's disappointing. That was a big reason I stopped watching in the first place, how Vince lost his mind and fukked up most of Triple H's creations along the way.

Meanwhile at AEW, it just looks like a larger scale version of TNA.

If I'm a casual or non-fan, I don't know how I can catch glimpses of any of the stuff on FOX or TNT and be compelled to tune in.

Black’s only been in WWE like 3 years...when’d you stop watching?

 

[momma]

Black’s only been in WWE like 3 years...when’d you stop watching?

I was still paying attention to NXT when he debuted but was fading away from Raw and Smackdown stuff. Then I about completely stopped after WrestleMania in 2017 besides some TakeOver matches or cool shyt that was going on like the Kofi stuff

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I stopped following a few years ago but I decided to check out the Rumble this weekend. Man the product has completely lost its edge, look, and feel, and it's been a gradual descent even from the early and mid 2010's. Everything just looks plastic and kiddy in all the wrong ways. The presentation is all out of wack (I don't know if they slashed the budget for the video production team but I'm really confused by the titantron font choices). The costumes are frequently more miss than hit (why is Asuka wrestling with a T-shirt??).

For the many strides they've made with women's wrestling, it still looks like they don't know what to do with it. I saw a million new characters in that women's Rumble and none of them looked compelling, most entrants as forgettable as the last.

The men's Rumble was actually pretty fun, although I look at Aleister Black who was a complete star in NXT and how his aura is dissolved on the main roster, and it's disappointing. That was a big reason I stopped watching in the first place, how Vince lost his mind and fukked up most of Triple H's creations along the way.

Meanwhile at AEW, it just looks like a larger scale version of TNA.

If I'm a casual or non-fan, I don't know how I can catch glimpses of any of the stuff on FOX or TNT and be compelled to tune in.

Black’s only been in WWE like 3 years...when’d you stop watching?

And also, what about AEW reminds you of TNA?

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

And also, what about AEW reminds you of TNA?

The fact that its not WWE. Its literally the
only parallel

 

[momma]

And also, what about AEW reminds you of TNA?

Small scale feel that tries to be big time, a roster of characters signed from other companies with just a name change

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Small scale feel that tries to be big time, a roster of characters signed from other companies with just a name change

Eh...... yes...... Na that’s not like TNA

• Number one from Jump they have 10x the money TNA had at its infancy so they are big time.
• Number two, That’s not TNAish. That’s wrestling in General. You can saw WWE is more that than TNA at this point with most of their roster from TNA, ROH and other feds

These things don’t correlate

 

[momma]

Eh...... yes...... Na that’s not like TNA

• Number one from Jump they have 10x the money TNA had at its infancy so they are big time.
• Number two, That’s not TNAish. That’s wrestling in General. You can saw WWE is more that than TNA at this point with most of their roster from TNA, ROH and other feds

These things don’t correlate

I don't care how much money they have, they wrestle in venues that look like just like TNA's Orlando studio shyt. The production value is much closer to TNA than WWE - compare WWE's massive stage to AEW's for one example.

And what I mean is they just take the exact same wrestler from a different company and put them on their show with a name change and minor tweaks. WWE / NXT doesn't do that. How is it really that much different from an indy show except aired on national TV?

There's also no attempt to truly separate itself as a product from WWE but just one with inconsequential differences that ultimately amount to the same thing. I'm not saying they won't get it together in the future but right now it's nothing must-see at all.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I don't care how much money they have, they wrestle in venues that look like just like TNA's Orlando studio shyt. The production value is much closer to TNA than WWE - compare WWE's massive stage to AEW's for one example.

And what I mean is they just take the exact same wrestler from a different company and put them on their show with a name change and minor tweaks. WWE / NXT doesn't do that. How is it really that much different from an indy show except aired on national TV?

There's also no attempt to truly separate itself as a product from WWE but just one with inconsequential differences that ultimately amount to the same thing. I'm not saying they won't get it together in the future but right now it's nothing must-see at all.

Well I have to disagree with the first paragraph. Orlando studio? You may be getting them confused with NWA Power

Second point? Specifically which wrestlers are you talking about? The guys they have pretty much have the same name they had outside of AEW. Also how you gonna say WWE/NXT don’t do that when literally Tyler Black is Seth Rollins, Consequences Creed is Xavier Woods, Shane Strickland is Isiah Scott, War Machine is The Viking Experience, El Generico is Sami Zayn and so and so on. The E the main culprits of changing your name and/or gimmick when people sign there.

Also, I do see differences. One company focuses more on wrestling the other focuses more on skits, talking, and bits. Raw is 3 hours but you probably get about 35 mins of wresting a show.

AEW in 2 matches you may get more wrestling than on either Raw or SMDN (which then some complain about saying the matches too long... but it’s different)

 

[Bryan Danielson]

TNA who is still alive is TNA.

If you watch a TNA show and an AEW show. Those 2 shows don’t look it feel nothing like each other

this



just doesn’t look and feel like this

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Also here are TNA bits




AEW hasn’t had a bit like this, will WWE still tries to do stuff like this just most cases it’s not good

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

At this point of my life, it's all acceptance of what used to be will never come back. WWE will continue to do WWE and AEW will continue to dress up WCW's corpse. No lie, this year I tried to make a vow to never touch the shyt cold turkey and you know what happened....Royal Rumble. Despite WWE's typical foolishness, I was sports entertained . Brock treating half the roster like default CAWs set to 30 made my night because a soft spot for fukkery. Yet, I won't give WWE any of my coin because fukk em. Meanwhile, AEW.....is what you want for it at this point . Right now, I'm like a old head sitting on the porch looking at the youngins with the Cornette stern look, but got no other choice but to watch their actions because I'm entertained .

Nothing will change because the marks became the bookers, yet there's still hope for a glimpse of fun in the promotions such as Edge returning and Omega actually winning something besides his self esteem.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

At this point of my life, it's all acceptance of what used to be will never come back. WWE will continue to do WWE and AEW will continue to dress up WCW's corpse. No lie, this year I tried to make a vow to never touch the shyt cold turkey and you know what happened....Royal Rumble. Despite WWE's typical foolishness, I was sports entertained . Brock treating half the roster like default CAWs set to 30 made my night because a soft spot for fukkery. Yet, I won't give WWE any of my coin because fukk em. Meanwhile, AEW.....is what you want for it at this point . Right now, I'm like a old head sitting on the porch looking at the youngins with the Cornette stern look, but got no other choice but to watch their actions because I'm entertained .

Nothing will change because the marks became the bookers, yet there's still hope for a glimpse of fun in the promotions such as Edge returning and Omega actually winning something besides his self esteem.

The Marks always been the bookers though

Vince physically always saw Hulk as himself and spiritually saw Austin as himself

Then Jarrett in TNA

and Flair, Nash, Dusty, Sullivan in WCW.


This shyt always been what it is

 

[momma]

Well I have to disagree with the first paragraph. Orlando studio? You may be getting them confused with NWA Power

Second point? Specifically which wrestlers are you talking about? The guys they have pretty much have the same name they had outside of AEW. Also how you gonna say WWE/NXT don’t do that when literally Tyler Black is Seth Rollins, Consequences Creed is Xavier Woods, Shane Strickland is Isiah Scott, War Machine is The Viking Experience, El Generico is Sami Zayn and so and so on. The E the main culprits of changing your name and/or gimmick when people sign there.

Also, I do see differences. One company focuses more on wrestling the other focuses more on skits, talking, and bits. Raw is 3 hours but you probably get about 35 mins of wresting a show.

AEW in 2 matches you may get more wrestling than on either Raw or SMDN (which then some complain about saying the matches too long... but it’s different)

I mean these are just my perceptions, I clearly don't know the ins and outs and all the finer details of AEW so you're undoubtedly more qualified to speak on what they do vs. others than I am. But just from what I've seen, as someone who casually might stumble across it (which is the audience AEW should be looking to attract), it's really not that different. You'd have to struggle to come up with a reason why someone who either checked out of wrestling or never watched in the first place would tune in.

I also don't understand it from a marketing standpoint, because wrestling fans want to watch AEW for what WWE is missing - a more serious, adult product with consistent storytelling - and for what NXT is missing - a true wrestling show but also on a larger primetime scale with big names from around the world. AEW does neither of those things. And on top of that, nothing about the show looks exciting to casuals or non-fans who either don't buy into wrestling as a thing to begin with or stopped watching a long time ago because they outgrew the silliness. I want AEW to succeed because I'm still invested in the idea of what wrestling could be, but to me it seems like they're wasting their chance and think recreating the Monday Night Wars, where it's a product adjacently similar to the competition but marketed on more excitement, applies in 2020.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

The Marks always been the bookers though

Vince physically always saw Hulk as himself and spiritually saw Austin as himself

That explains why Vern Gagne wanted to push his shytty son and Dusty booking himself as fukking hercules overcoming the odds.

My childhood is tarnished from such revelations.