Freakanomics talks how different types of people TIP...includes race, religion, etc.

[yoyoyo1]

Damn, I'm surprised no one has called Levitt and Dubner a bunch of racist CACs yet. I'm impressed

Let me be the first.

Dubner you fukkin Ira Glass soundalike Ted Mosby in 20 years lookin ass nikka

Levitt you laid back racist CAC, I see how you're saying that slick racist shyt

 

[Ain't That Something]

A C.E.O can be financially frugal with his business and I'm expected to subsidize it with my tips and benifit in no way or shape from it financially

Especially us being black in Amrica where I got to fight against the powers that be not to be at the bottom of the socio-economic ladder. Shiiiiiit Rsetaurants can find another sucker. While we add it bars too.

 

[He Who Posts Well]

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[Auger]

See we can push to eliminate tips and enforce a livable minimum wages for most service jobs, but when workers no longer have to work harder for tips, there's a tendency to for staff to become complacent.

If all waiters got the same fair and decent wage, would there be any reason to go above and beyond during certain shifts or repeat customers? You'd end up experiencing the same subpar service you get a fast food chains.

 

[Grand Cru Boo]

I work at a restaurant part time and I can tell you, people in general are cheap. I will admit, if the service is exceptional and they build a great repor with the guest then usually they tip accordingly however to say blacks are less likely to tip is a gross misconception.

 

[Mr. Manhattan]

I always tip when I eat out, fukk is a few dollars gonna hurt. If I'm too cheap to tip I wouldn't be eating at a fukkin restaraunt in the first place

 

[Box Cutta]

I always tip. But 20-25 percent is ridiculous, you can expect between 10-15 percent, depending on how expensive the meal was.

A delivery driver can usually expect between 4 and 5 bucks.

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

I honestly wish the institution of tipping was deaded and that prices at full service restaurants simply went up 18-25% across the board so we could simply stop having this discussion. You wouldn't have to feel "duped", cheap fukks would be priced out and servers that everyone suddenly seems to care so much about (but only when discussing tipping) would get a fair wage. Win for everyone.

You continually dismiss the those who see the automatic tipping system as "cheap fukks" and it shows your complete inability to see the issue from another vantage point.

Most servers at mid-level to high end restaurants in decent areas do pretty well and wouldn't trade their tips for that "decent sum" if you gave them the choice. So there's also that to contend with.

Of course they wouldn't trade it, cuz we've been duped into overpaying for our restaurant experience!

We should have never allowed restaurants or anyone to pay less than minimum wage. Automatic tipping for someone simply doing their job is ludicrous. If they go above and beyond, that's different, but if you just take my order, get my food and bring my check, why do you deserve a tip? Go to one bar, a drink is $6, go to a swanky nightclub, that and drink is $12 and a tip is expected in both scenarios...why? Why can't the nightclub owner just pay his bartender a fair wage? And at least with the bartender the effects of the tip can (not always) be readily seen with faster service, better drinks.

We've been duped into tipping to try to avoid bad service, SMH.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I don't think people "obsess" over it to be honest. It's just one of those things that's true and it gets acknowledged, especially here. No other message board I go to talks about it as much as it's talked about here and I'd be willing to bet this board is predominately black.

You make a good point, though. When it comes down to it, I guess it's just a social norm that some choose to follow and others don't.

This country definitely spends an inordinate amount of focus on this topic of tips by racial categories. There have been academic studies devoted to this phenomenon, and the reason why this thread was started was because the freaknomics guest spent the time gathering copious amounts of empirical data on the subject.

Again, when the subject comes up about CEO's paying employees wages they can at least live on, its "why should they have to pay more! This is America, not socialism!! Get a better job!! Get out of these CEO's pockets!!! Its not your money!!!!" Conveniently enough, these same arguments arent extended to black folks when they choose to not subsidize a server's paycheck. This isnt a social norm, its a financial decision, and black folks have on average 5% of the wealth that whites have.

America obsesses over this because its a way to make black folks look bad. They will make a completely different argument for white business owners. Sht is see through.

 

[Kemyran]

You continually dismiss the those who see the automatic tipping system as "cheap fukks" and it shows your complete inability to see the issue from another vantage point.




Of course they wouldn't trade it, cuz we've been duped into overpaying for restaurant experience!

We should have never allowed restaurants or anyone to pay less than minimum wage. Automatic tipping for someone simply doing their job is ludicrous. If they go above and beyond, that's different, but if you just take my order, get my food and bring my check, why do you deserve a tip? Go to one bar, a drink is $6, go to a swanky nightclub, that and drink is $12 and a tip is expected in both scenarios...why? Why can't the nightclub owner just pay his bartender a fair wage? And at least with the bartender the effects of the tip can (not always) be readily seen with faster service, better drinks.

We've been duped into tipping to try to avoid bad service, SMH.

Ok so pretend I didn't call them cheap fukks if your feelings are so hurt over it. I'm not sure what you're even arguing anymore after I stated that prices should be raised in order to pay waistaff "a fair wage."

You pretty much trotted out all the same tropes I said people do when discussing this all the way down to the old "it's their job, they're just bringing me my food!" argument. When you go to a full service establishment you're paying for the food and for the service. Raise prices as I said and they'll get their fair pay and then your point is moot. Happy?

 

[Kemyran]

This country definitely spends an inordinate amount of focus on this topic of tips by racial categories. There have been academic studies devoted to this phenomenon, and the reason why this thread was started was because the freaknomics guest spent the time gathering copious amounts of empirical data on the subject.

Again, when the subject comes up about CEO's paying employees wages they can at least live on, its "why should they have to pay more! This is America, not socialism!! Get a better job!! Get out of these CEO's pockets!!! Its not your money!!!!" Conveniently enough, these same arguments arent extended to black folks when they choose to not subsidize a server's paycheck. This isnt a social norm, its a financial decision, and black folks have on average 5% of the wealth that whites have.

America obsesses over this because its a way to make black folks look bad. They will make a completely different argument for white business owners. Sht is see through.

I understand your point but most people of all races who don't tip aren't doing it thinking "I am choosing not to subsidize a server's paycheck" and I'm sure you realize this. Studies have been shown that a lot of people don't even realize the base pay servers make is below minimum. So, why do you think it is? Do you honestly think it's just a figment of everyone's imagination and blacks really do routinely tip? Also, it IS a social norm along with being a financial decision. It's both.

Also, looking at the current landscape, would you agree that an inordinate amount of black folks do a good job at making themselves look bad? I think we do and it's unfortunate. I think there's a lot to improve, and I'm going waaay beyond tipping. I think we should and could do more (even though institutional cards are stacked against us, there's still a LOT we could be doing as a people) but an inordinate amount of us willfully choose not to and this is pretty much irrefutable. Then we get mad when people outside and even inside the culture point that out. We hem and haw over it but nobody does shyt about it one way or the other.

 

[Vandelay]

Damn, I'm surprised no one has called Levitt and Dubner a bunch of racist CACs yet. I'm impressed

Guess you didn't see or read what they had to say about abortion.


I for one tip, almost everytime unless I get shytty service. My girl tips, my fam tips...some of my closest friends however do not tip...and it's not a case of not having the money, it's just being cheap as shyt...ive actually had friends try to pocket the money i tried to put up to compensate for their cheapness.

Its a pet peeve of mine if you spend 60 to 200 on a meal and you can't come out your pockets to tip your server.

You can make the argument, that the employer should pay them more but i live by the school of thought you should pay for performance. Every other argument bullshyt as far as i can see it.

 

[Huellz Santana]

Most servers at mid-level to high end restaurants in decent areas do pretty well and wouldn't trade their tips for that "decent sum" if you gave them the choice. So there's also that to contend with.

this is why i feel the tipping outrage is such a farce. i've worked in restaurants and anywhere like a Ruby Tuesday's and above the servers are making good tax-free money. if they had a good hourly wage and had to report all their wages they'd be pissed.

nikkas used to come up NICELY off them tips on weekend shifts. and dont even get me started on the high end spots.​

 

[Huellz Santana]

See we can push to eliminate tips and enforce a livable minimum wages for most service jobs, but when workers no longer have to work harder for tips, there's a tendency to for staff to become complacent.

If all waiters got the same fair and decent wage, would there be any reason to go above and beyond during certain shifts or repeat customers? You'd end up experiencing the same subpar service you get a fast food chains.

i disagree. i dont even think tips make servers go above and beyond.

most of them know they're getting 20% regardless. i've seen some terrible servers. especially being black because when bill comes you have a conundrum A. tip good even tho the service was bad, just so you don't fit a stereotype or B. don't tip well and add to the stereotype. even tho the service was bad.

i know one thing i aint tippin them teenage girls at Coldstone. bishes wantin some extra dough because they massaged some crushed up snicker bars into my icecream. ​

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I understand your point but most people of all races who don't tip aren't doing it thinking "I am choosing not to subsidize a server's paycheck" and I'm sure you realize this. Studies have been shown that a lot of people don't even realize the base pay servers make is below minimum. So, why do you think it is? Do you honestly think it's just a figment of everyone's imagination and blacks really do routinely tip? Also, it IS a social norm along with being a financial decision. It's both.

Also, looking at the current landscape, would you agree that an inordinate amount of black folks do a good job at making themselves look bad? I think we do and it's unfortunate. I think there's a lot to improve, and I'm going waaay beyond tipping. I think we should and could do more (even though institutional cards are stacked against us, there's still a LOT we could be doing as a people) but an inordinate amount of us willfully choose not to and this is pretty much irrefutable. Then we get mad when people outside and even inside the culture point that out. We hem and haw over it but nobody does shyt about it one way or the other.

Black people are making a financially rational decision when it comes to tips, just like business owners who divide as little of the profits as possible to their employees. Its just that simple.

As far as black people "not doing sht", a claim I would strongly refute given the strides of black America in the face of overwhelming odds btw, I love when people brush off institutional forces as these insignificant hurdles.

Its like "well, black people go to shtty schools on average, and they're discriminated against when it come to hiring, and they're discriminated against when it comes to obtaining lines of credit, and there are laws and procedures which specifically target us being criminalized and locked in the system, and we have been treated as social pariahs in our own country for centuries....but other than these minor things, why arent blacks more successful????" lol