Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism Documentary

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Although I am an atheist, I like how he points out that the majority of people who believe in evolution are religious.

Dope documentary :salute:
 

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I don't know how anything spawned bro, I'm not an astrophysicist.

And yes your entire foundation is solely based on the fact that "an angel spoke to Muhammad in a cave" It's in the shahada bro. You can't become a muslim without acknowledging this.

Isn't that what this debate is about? What spawned it all? If you admittedly know nothing about it then why doesn't each of your posts end with a question mark? What can you possibly bring to a discussion you admit you know nothing about?

And then you continue to display your complete lack of a clue. Now you're telling me what my personal beliefs are based on. Not only that, what they're based "solely" on. You have already proven to be an uninformed liar, Tom. Just living up to your name I see.

And I see you chose to ignore the fact you believe an entire universe spawned from nothing but that's perfectly logical to you.
 

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Religion teaches morals, science teaches about the physical properties of the universe. How are they rivals?

because science disproves several religious "facts" and "truths"

ask the creationists who rally against science, why the 2 are rivals
 

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because science disproves several religious "facts" and "truths"

ask the creationists who rally against science, why the 2 are rivals

Sorry, but I don't know any creationists who "rally against science" so I can't ask that question.

Please inform me of these "religious facts and truths disproved by science" though.
 

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Sorry, but I don't know any creationists who "rally against science" so I can't ask that question.

Please inform me of these "religious facts and truths disproved by science" though.

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really? that post isnt even worth answering :heh:
 

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evolutionary biology is science, and they rally against it

The theory of evolution is just that, a theory. Even so, your statement still isn't 100% accurate. As a creationist, I do believe in evolution, just not the same as Darwin did. After all, one of Allah's 99 names is Al-Bari, The Evolver.
 

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really? that post isnt even worth answering :heh:

Every time I ask you for an example to support what you claim you give a very amateur argument that a child can refute.

For your sake, and for the sake of my time and yours, maybe you shouldn't answer and just humbly accept your L for the thread.
 

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What do we gain by giving up and acknowledging that "The Creator" knows all these things already? It doesn't help us out much in our journey to understand the world bro. It actually encourages you to stop using your brain altogether. There's nothing wrong with having that world view but it's really not necessary in science at and doesn't really contribute anything useful.


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that's decidedly not true... but i hear where you're coming from because it has devolved into that.

If science is truth and God is truth then ultimately we're trying to arrive at the same place just coming from different angles.

I'm a Christian, i know I don't know everything, I don't even know everything in the bible. I don't know how everything works or if every word in the bible is to be taken literally or which are to be taken literally. What i don know, or rather believe is that there is a God. I'm not even going to take the christian approach right now and keep it real generic, there is a creator.

Science, IMHO, only exposes use to more of the creators handy work.

It'd be like if a wrote a program and created a video game. I could say I created the people in the game. Now let's say this game has some really killer AI. And the characters in the game started finding the programmable code. If they said, "we're not created because we found this code" what would you tell them? You'd tell them, "no you were created and the code is evidence."

That's the difference really right now between science and religion, once you remove the politics.

Science sees the tools and works and calls them laws of the universe.
Religions sees the tools and works and calls them proof.

Neither is wrong, religion seeks to merge the two, science will never merge the two because "the creator" cannot be measured or tested.
 

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Every time I ask you for an example to support what you claim you give a very amateur argument that a child can refute.

For your sake, and for the sake of my time and yours, maybe you shouldn't answer and just humbly accept your L for the thread.

you want me to give you examples of carbon dating disproving the young earth theory? ignorant people disputing evolution because "we didnt come from a monkey"?

yea, huge L for me there :childplease:

and every time youre asked something you give a very basic argument that a child can make : allah did it
 

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evolutionary biology is science, and they rally against it

come on daze. Yeah some do, that doesn't mean all do, nor does the mean that's what "religion" does.

Things like religion and science get used and abused all the damn time and if you don't attempt to look past the fuked up humans and the agenda you tend to miss out on a lot of good things.

Religion, at its core, minus the BS political agenda is not contrary to science, if anything religious people should be more scientific. If the bible is the world of god then the universe is the art gallery of god, and TO ME understanding and appreciating his handy work go had in hand.

YES far to many religious people LOVE to stick their heads in the ground and fear what they can't easily explain via religion, to me that's wrong.

Me not being able to explain something doesn't disprove something though.
 

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you want me to give you examples of carbon dating disproving the young earth theory? ignorant people disputing evolution because "we didnt come from a monkey"?

yea, huge L for me there :childplease:

and every time youre asked something you give a very basic argument that a child can make : allah did it

Are you going to provide an example or not? I find your rambling to be extremely pointless.

You gave a half of example in "young earth theory" but it was a weak example which further proves your own lack of understanding if nothing else. Are you one of those people who thinks creationists believe the Earth is 6000 years old or something?

See what I'm saying. Weak, amateur arguments. It's what your entire stance is built on. And that makes for a not so sound foundation.

Examples or good day.
 

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uh, the post I responded to was specifically about "creationists"

But as I said, the problem with that is I'm a creationist and I believe in some form of evolution. Evolution as explained in Darwinism is a theory, not a fact and therefore isn't capable of disproving anything.

Creationists disagreeing with one particular theory is a far cry from "all creationists rally against science."

Language is important. Let's say what we mean and mean what we say.
 

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uh, the post I responded to was specifically about "creationists"
there are also different degrees of "creationist"...unless you're defining "creationsist" as the bat shyt crazy typically republican god freaks who care nothing of the actual word of god but would rather spout out talking points from fox...


If that's the case then:
1. Take note that those people aren't Representatives of all people who believe in a creator nor are they good representatives of the very "God" they believe they serve.

2. Carry on.
 
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