Foundational Falsehoods of Creationism Documentary

[Tom]

Isn't that what evolution teaches? An organism popped up out of thin air?

That's your area of expertise. Teach me something.

Nope. Evolution explains how life diversifies over successive generations.


Not how it begins.


We have some theories for how it "may" have begin and we're currently testing them out but as of now we don't know for sure bro, but it probably most likely was not a "supernatural cause"


However you do have the answers to these question though, don't you? Tell me what book do they reside in bro. All lifes questions are answered in that very book too, am I wrong?

If you don't know, just say you don't know you. But to go on about something as though you're an expert when you haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about will only lead to embarrassment, for the more you speak on it, the more evident it will become that you don't know what you're talking about.

If only you guys listened to your own words

 

[wize fool]

Nope. Evolution explains how life diversifies over successive generations.


Not how it begins.


We have some theories for how it "may" have begin and we're currently testing them out as but we don't know for sure bro.


However you do have this answers to these question though, don't you? Tell me what book do they reside in bro



If only you guys listened to your own words

I never said I knew. And those answers don't reside in any book I know of.

However, I do believe in universal truth. Just because I don't know, doesn't mean the answer doesn't exist. How arrogant of you to think that if you don't know then no one can.

The speed of light was defined before man discovered it. Man sought the answer to the question of the speed of light.

So my question would be, how can you search for answers unless these answers truly exist? And if the answers exist, how can knowledge exist and not be possessed?

This is why I keep telling you religion is above science. You are dealing with smaller things in order to understand the bigger thing. But in focusing on the smaller things you seem to be missing the bigger things.

Biology, anthropology, astronomy, physics, chemistry, botany, mathematics, all aim to explain things within the creation, while religion is on a grander scale and deals with the creation itself.

One does not need to understand how every moving part in an automobile functions. If you take the time to learn that, fine. But that doesn't take away from the fact the car was designed by an engineer who engineered the parts to work exactly as you just described.

So while your answer is "I don't know, therefore no one knows", I prefer to say "I don't know, but The Creator knows."

Science seeks answers. The Creator holds the answer key. All scientists do is observe. What do they observe? Laws that have been set in motion. But who or what set them in motion? You don't know, therefore you believe no one knows. I don't know, but I believe The Creator of it all knows.

Simple mathematics gives me a better chance at being correct. My test paper says "The Creator" while yours is left blank which is an automatic red check mark.

Tilt your head back and look at the big picture. While you're talking about the creation, I'm talking about the Creator who created the creation you're talking about. A different level.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

"if you dont believe evolution you are a big dummy!"

pretty much sums up this video

 

[Tom]

So while your answer is "I don't know, therefore no one knows", I prefer to say "I don't know, but The Creator knows."

Science seeks answers. The Creator holds the answer key. All scientists do is observe. What do they observe? Laws that have been set in motion. But who or what set them in motion? You don't know, therefore you believe no one knows. I don't know, but I believe The Creator of it all knows.


Science seeks answers. The Creator holds the answer key.

When you don't know something then the wise thing to do would be to reserve judgement until more evidence is presented.

Throwing untestable hypothesis in that gap of knowledge doesn't really solve anything and only leaves us with more questions. However you're entitled to your own beliefs no matter how irrational they are bro. As long as you're aware that they're just personal "beliefs" that really hold no weight then there's nothing to disagree about (Which is what it looks like due to your choice of words)

 

[wize fool]

When you don't know something then the wise thing to do would be to reserve judgement until more evidence is presented.

Throwing untestable hypothesis in that gap of knowledge doesn't really solve anything and only leaves us with more questions. However you're entitled to your own beliefs no matter how irrational they are bro. As long as you're aware that they're just personal "beliefs" that really hold no weight then there's nothing to disagree about (Which is what it looks like due to your choice of words)

Your beliefs would have to hold the same amount of weight then.

When scientists don't know something, they hypothesize and test in hopes to finding the true answer. No difference in a creationist only we acknowledge the answer we seek is already known by The Creator. Somehow this confuses you greatly.

Why would you search for truth if you don't believe in it?

 

[badvillain]

What answer to that question has "science" come up with?

I can't even fathom an argument in favor of creationism on the "how". Scientists have been able to go back to the moment of the big bang and recreate it in labs; and they are still pushing to go farther back than that.

And neither science or religion have ever gotten close to the "why"

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I encourage all our resident creationist @Dirty_Jerz @Mowgli @wize fool @Mr. Somebody etc to take a look at this

HOLLYWOOD HAS MOWGLI AND HIS KNOWN ALIASES ON IGNORE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH HE IS AMUSING AT TIMES, HIS AGENDA IS PURELY TO DERAIL EVERY THREAD WITH THE EXACT SAME NONSENSE OVER AND OVER AGAIN, BROTHER! I DON'T KNOW WHY ANYONE FAMILIAR WITH HIM BOTHERS TO REPLY TO HIM, DUDE!

 

[Tom]

Your beliefs would have to hold the same amount of weight then.

When scientists don't know something, they hypothesize and test in hopes to finding the true answer. No difference in a creationist only we acknowledge the answer we seek is already known by The Creator. Somehow this confuses you greatly.

Why would you search for truth if you don't believe in it?

What do we gain by giving up and acknowledging that "The Creator" knows all these things already? It doesn't help us out much in our journey to understand the world bro. It actually encourages you to stop using your brain altogether. There's nothing wrong with having that world view but it's really not necessary in science at and doesn't really contribute anything useful.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

Scientists have been able to go back to the moment of the big bang and recreate it in labs; and they are still pushing to go farther back than that.

 

[wize fool]

I can't even fathom an argument in favor of creationism on the "how". Scientists have been able to go back to the moment of the big bang and recreate it in labs; and they are still pushing to go farther back than that.

And neither science or religion have ever gotten close to the "why"

One still doesn't discredit the other. If the big bang theory were true, how does that disprove the existence of a creator?

Religion has an answer for why. You just choose not to accept it, and that's fine. But science will never have an answer for that question because science isn't meant to deal with those things.

 

[wize fool]

What do we gain by giving up and acknowledging that "The Creator" knows all these things already? It doesn't help us out much in our journey to understand the world bro. It actually encourages you to stop using your brain altogether. There's nothing wrong with having that world view but it's really not necessary in science at and doesn't really contribute anything useful.

More misunderstanding on your part, Tom. Who said anything about giving up? Acknowledging that The Creator knows the answers we seek doesn't mean we cease to seek them. I'm not understanding that logic.

The scientific method was developed by a Muslim who was attempting to better understand The Creator's creation.

You often, yourself, blow your entire argument out of the water by saying things that show you clearly don't understand what we're actually talking about.

That post was comedy in it's purest form.

"It actually encourages you to stop using your brain altogether."

If religion does that, what's your excuse?

 

[wize fool]

No offense @Tom but you are an amateur. You simply lack the necessary background information to effectively participate in such a discussion. For real your points are drawn from thin air and are usually just flat out wrong, in an objective sense. I point this out to you everyday and you still refuse to educate yourself in order to show the slightest semblance of understanding.

I'm sorry but it is difficult to discuss calculus with someone who refuses to learn basic arithmetic.

 

[Tom]

One still doesn't discredit the other. If the big bang theory were true, how does that disprove the existence of a creator?

Religion has an answer for why. You just choose not to accept it, and that's fine. But science will never have an answer for that question because science isn't meant to deal with those things.

How is religion above science or philosophy in dealing with those questions when all 3 groups are were entirely created by man and man alone?

Your assertion that religion/Islam is more authentic and has "the answers" is based on the sole assumption that religion/Islam is the "Creator's word".


And this assumption is solely based on faith in the fact that an actual angel came down from heaven and spoke to Muhammad in a cave


At the end of the day this is all it really comes down to bro. I'm not hating or calling it fictitious... I just want to make sure you understand this.

 

[wize fool]

I just want you to understand that a lot of the stuff you say is inaccurate.

My faith isn't "solely" based on "an angel speaking to Muhammad." More incorrect statements from you.

I do find it funny that you find that impossible but believe an entire universe can spawn itself from absolutely nothing. Hmmm.

 

[Tom]

I just want you to understand that a lot of the stuff you say is inaccurate.

My faith isn't "solely" based on "an angel speaking to Muhammad." More incorrect statements from you.

I do find it funny that you find that impossible but believe an entire universe can spawn itself from absolutely nothing. Hmmm.

I don't know how anything spawned bro, I'm not an astrophysicist.

And yes your entire foundation is solely based on the fact that "an angel spoke to Muhammad in a cave" It's in the shahada bro. You can't become a muslim without acknowledging this.