Forbes: Falling Illegal Immigration Numbers Confirm No Border Crisis
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if capitalists wanted the borders sealed the borders would be locked up tighter than fort knox.Walmart would start a coup tomorrow if they couldn't get their slave labor
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
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that's all i wanted from you; thanks for proving my point :jaymelo:
i don't have anything against illegals, they arent bad people because they want to come here and work. but i will not cheerlead letting them do so
you just posted that 15% of illegals do construction, like that doesnt take thousands and thousands of jobs from able bodied citizens in this country. but two posts ago, you said "what jobs do illegals take from americans". absolute shyt posting
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Ahhh that’s cute. Another person that doesn’t realize there is a difference between immigrants and undocumented (illegal) immigrants.
Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute
Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S." How that breaks down is important. First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average. After being detained and released by law enforcement, undocumented immigrants from Central America wait for assistance in a Catholic Charities relief center in McAllen, Texas. Photo by Loren Elliott/Reuters. It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits. It's also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour. WATCH:Proposed immigration policy penalizes legal residents for use of public benefits In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes. Immigrants are also less likely to take public benefits than the native-born population for two reasons. First, to receive most public benefits under the social safety net, immigrants must be lawful permanent residents for at least five years. There are approximately 9 million immigrants that fit that definition in the U.S. Of those, many would not qualify for welfare or other programs because their incomes are too high. "While it is really important to ensure that immigrants and their children have access to the safety net, there are already a lot of eligibility barriers in place," said Hamutal Bernstein, a senior research associate at the Urban Institute. Many immigrants are hesitant to take public benefits even if they are eligible, Peri said. "There is a little bit of a stigma in applying for welfare because they have come here to work, to support their families," Peri said. Immigrants can be a financial burden to state and local governments through the cost of sending their children to public school — something Trump mentioned Thursday. But Trump's claim ignored a critical point. Educating those children has economic benefits later down the road when they get better-paying jobs and, in turn, pay higher taxes.
Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs
Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they're taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims. "Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages," Peri, the UC Davis professor, said. The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans' for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers. Wendy Estrada, a 30-year-old Honduran immigrant training to become a certified nursing assistant listens to Center at Park West resident Maria Ruvalcaba sing. Immigrants make up a large share of health care aides in the U.S. Photo by Barbara Davidson/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other. Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015. WATCH: What happened when this struggling city opened its arms to refugees A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics. In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants. Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.
Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants
Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate The U.S. birth rate is 1.8 births per woman, down from 3.65 in 1960, according to the World Bank. Demographers consider 2.1 births per woman as the rate needed to replace the existing population. According to the Pew Research Center, if not for immigrants, the U.S. workforce would be shrinking. That would create a host of problems for the federal government. If not for immigrants, the U.S. workforce would be shrinking. Social Security, which is paid for by current workers, would be in even more serious budgetary trouble than it already is. Economic growth would also likely stagnate or even contract, as it has in Japan, a country where the population is shrinking and does not attract many immigrants. Automation can buttress economic growth for a while, but investment in new technology only goes so far, said Betsey Stevenson, an associate professor of economics at the University of Michigan. Plus, immigrants increase demand for goods and services, which further boosts economic growth, she added.
4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy
Americans are being forced into part time service industry jobs and not having children or owning property because either ruins your chances of reaching the middle class.
Capitalism needs a poor underclass a long with continued population growth and consumption to sustain itself.
Enter immigration. Dont hate the player hate the game
Seems to be a big problem on here where ppl conflate the two and create stupid arguments.
Legal immigrants are great. Illegal immigrants are not.
Point blank period
fukk you you juelzing ass bytch
You DEFINITELY didn't read that post. :mjlolhairfade:
Even if you were correct (you're not), again, you live in Canada. What is your stake in this?
I wasn't co-signing the idea, I was just pointing out that he was incorrectly criticizing @Bollywood Hulk Hogan's proposal because he apparently didn't understand it. If everyone was citizens, then managers would lack the lopsided power they hold over illegal workers which allows them to pay illegally low wages. Technically it would still be possible but it would become less normalized and far easier to catch.
Personally, I hold basically the libertarian view that "globalization" is lopsided toward the wealthy and slanted against laborers when you allow the free movement of goods but not the free movement of people. Citizenship should take some serious work to qualify for, but mere legal status in order to work should be fairly easy to acquire. I would be in favor of granting legal work status to anyone who wanted a job providing they pass a background check and can prove ability to support themselves.
fukk you you juelzing ass bytch
How many Rules for Spotting Bad Faith Arguments did he just qualify for right there?
I didn’t read it?
This whole thread is about illegal immigrants and he posted a bunch of myths about immigrants.
Maybe you need to go back and read it.
Not that I need to explain this (any more than I have). I have family in the states and have lived there. I still go there regularly and I plan to move back to Florida in a few years.
You live nowhere near any of these borders. I have lived and still have family in south Florida.
How many times can you guys be so dishonest and full of shyt.I wasn't co-signing the idea, I was just pointing out that he was incorrectly criticizing @Bollywood Hulk Hogan's proposal because he apparently didn't understand it. If everyone was citizens, then managers would lack the lopsided power they hold over illegal workers which allows them to pay illegally low wages. Technically it would still be possible but it would become less normalized and far easier to catch.
Personally, I hold basically the libertarian view that "globalization" is lopsided toward the wealthy and slanted against laborers when you allow the free movement of goods but not the free movement of people. Citizenship should take some serious work to qualify for, but mere legal status in order to work should be fairly easy to acquire. I would be in favor of granting legal work status to anyone who wanted a job providing they pass a background check and can prove ability to support themselves.
How many Rules for Spotting Bad Faith Arguments did he just qualify for right there?
You know damn well that there is a clear difference between illegal and legal immigrants yet you continually conflate the two.
Want to talk about bad faith??
Y’all stay with that bs
Berniewood Hogan
IT'S BERNIE SANDERS WITH A STEEL CHAIR!
Another foreign INVADER who wants to breed anchor babies upon our precious shores. Keep your poutine and deer ticks over there, Canuck scum.
Don’t worry. I’ll only be there 6 months a year to maintain by free health care.
So you missed these lines from the post?
"It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits."
"Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy. Immigrants are also less likely to take public benefits than the native-born population for two reasons. First, to receive most public benefits under the social safety net, immigrants must be lawful permanent residents for at least five years. There are approximately 9 million immigrants that fit that definition in the U.S. Of those, many would not qualify for welfare or other programs because their incomes are too high."
Not to mention that nearly every statement in the post about "immigrants" in general applied just as much or more so to illegal immigrants. The post specifically address that in those two sections, but you ignored that and didn't even make an argument for why your distinction invalidated those specific points.
KingJudah2
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positive effect on overall economy doesn't mean positive effect for black people specifically black men
KingJudah2
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nikkas caping for illegals is c00ns, tell them crackers yall support who love illegals to take down the fence in their gated communities