Forbes: Falling Illegal Immigration Numbers Confirm No Border Crisis

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How did I miss it when I was the one posted it?
Dude said let’s “hand citizenship freely to every person that shows up...just like Ellis island”.

My post demonstrated that it wasn’t just handed over freely. Ppl were screened and tested. And many of them were denied and separated from their families and sent back home.
over that time almost a quarter million ppl were sent back home. NOT freely given citizenship. And there were almost a quarter million families separated.

Doesn’t really sound much different than now does it?
98% acceptance of everyone who shows up sounds a LOT different than it does now.



Wait....apparently YOU don’t get the point. Undocumented (or let’s call it for what it is...illegal) workers will still be able to undercut wages because they will be.....ummm...undocumented. Which means that there will be no change to what is currently going on.
No they won't be, cause in his proposal they wouldn't be undocumented anymore. How can you claim his proposal wouldn't work while failing to grant the condition of his proposal? :what:
 

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98% acceptance of everyone who shows up sounds a LOT different than it does now.




No they won't be, cause in his proposal they wouldn't be undocumented anymore. How can you claim his proposal wouldn't work while failing to grant the condition of his proposal? :what:
Lol
100% of undocumented or illegal workers are undocumented or illegal.

Only until they become documented or legal would things change.
 

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of course not

because she accurately stated that illegals hurt employment for people that are already here, she was clearly a racist cac :jayfdup:
Look at you sucking Nap's dikk as he calls my name out in the street :mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

He ain't even give you a dap for your trouble, wipe your mouf breh :russ:
 

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Look at you sucking Nap's dikk as he calls my name out in the street :mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

He ain't even give you a dap for your trouble, wipe your mouf breh :russ:
:dead: i wouldnt piss on nap if he was on fire. the fukk are you talking about?

ive made the same post he did, myself :mjlol: because it's funny to watch the deflections from shills

the facts are that nap posts factual arguments against illegal immigration, and all any of you do in response is rehash emotional DNC talking points
 

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illegals and migrants hurt employment opportunities for people that are already here. they should be discouraged from coming here, turned around at the border no matter what they're "claiming", and deported when caught along with their families, if they don't want to split up

issue with any of that? :ehh: none of it should be controversial
Post a source.
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post a source that illegals hurt employment opportunities for people that are already here :dwillhuh:

are you serious? if ONE illegal took a job that a citizen would have done, i would be right. you're a fukking idiot :jaymad:
I roasted you out of your own thread, provide statistics that illegal immigrants are taking jobs from Americans.

You even tried to say the reason unemployment is low is because illegal immigration is low when I posted a graph showing that immigration and unemployment has no correlation over the last 50 years.

Please tell us what jobs nikkas with no skills or English capabilities are taking from Americans?
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I roasted you out of your own thread, provide statistics that illegal immigrants are taking jobs from Americans.

You even tried to say the reason unemployment is low is because illegal immigration is low when I posted a graph showing that immigration and unemployment has no correlation over the last 50 years.

Please tell us what jobs nikkas with no skills or English capabilities are taking from Americans?
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you're telling me that all 12 million illegals do jobs that no american would do? that's one of the most embarrassing stances ive seen anyone take on here :yeshrug:

get that DNC dikk outta your mouth, it's disgusting :jaymad:
 

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Please tell us what jobs nikkas with no skills or English capabilities are taking from Americans?
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oh, and please tell us what people with no skills or english capabilities bring to the table
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they take in more resources than they give us. that's a fact, you DNC whore

we should subsidize ER healthcare and schooling for people who come here to pick fruit for 5 dollars an hour? how's that math work out, chief?
 

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I roasted you out of your own thread, provide statistics that illegal immigrants are taking jobs from Americans.

You even tried to say the reason unemployment is low is because illegal immigration is low when I posted a graph showing that immigration and unemployment has no correlation over the last 50 years.

Please tell us what jobs nikkas with no skills or English capabilities are taking from Americans?
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The problem is not so much that illegals are stealing jobs from citizens (even though that is an issue) the problem is that when illegal workers work they are lowering wages and working conditions for everyone.
 

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You don't get the point though - if you mandate a living wage, then undocumented workers CAN'T undercut the wages. Since the employer knows they have to pay a living wage regardless, they have no reason not to hire someone who can work legally, speaks fluent English, has an American education, knows American culture, etc. Employers are willing to deal with the drawbacks of hiring undocumented labor because the lower pay rates justify the other risks and difficulties. You remove those lower pay rates then you kill their motivation for going undocumented.

I may be misreading your reply but that’s absurd

“If you mandate a living wage”

We already mandate a minimum wage and how’s that worked out?

If you’re trying it say “make everyone a citizen” so they have to follow minimum wage laws, we’ll ill say you’re dreaming and reaching too hard. An open border is garbage policy.

You want work visas? Let’s do it. Keep track of your workers and make sure they’re gone when their contract is up. As a legal immigrant, handing out citizenship like candy is ridiculous IMO
 

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you're telling me that all 12 million illegals do jobs that no american would do? that's one of the most embarrassing stances ive seen anyone take on here :yeshrug:

get that DNC dikk outta your mouth, it's disgusting :jaymad:
he full of shyt illegals doing all kinds of construction, masonry, carpentry, electrical work RIGHT NOW
 

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you're telling me that all 12 million illegals do jobs that no american would do? that's one of the most embarrassing stances ive seen anyone take on here :yeshrug:

get that DNC dikk outta your mouth, it's disgusting :jaymad:
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Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute


Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration "has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S." How that breaks down is important. First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are "among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.," the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average. After being detained and released by law enforcement, undocumented immigrants from Central America wait for assistance in a Catholic Charities relief center in McAllen, Texas. Photo by Loren Elliott/Reuters. It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits. It's also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour. WATCH:Proposed immigration policy penalizes legal residents for use of public benefits In general, more people working means more taxes — and that's true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes. Immigrants are also less likely to take public benefits than the native-born population for two reasons. First, to receive most public benefits under the social safety net, immigrants must be lawful permanent residents for at least five years. There are approximately 9 million immigrants that fit that definition in the U.S. Of those, many would not qualify for welfare or other programs because their incomes are too high. "While it is really important to ensure that immigrants and their children have access to the safety net, there are already a lot of eligibility barriers in place," said Hamutal Bernstein, a senior research associate at the Urban Institute. Many immigrants are hesitant to take public benefits even if they are eligible, Peri said. "There is a little bit of a stigma in applying for welfare because they have come here to work, to support their families," Peri said. Immigrants can be a financial burden to state and local governments through the cost of sending their children to public school — something Trump mentioned Thursday. But Trump's claim ignored a critical point. Educating those children has economic benefits later down the road when they get better-paying jobs and, in turn, pay higher taxes.

Myth #2: Immigrants take American jobs

Fact: Immigrants workers often take jobs that boost other parts of the economy Immigrants make up 17 percent of the U.S. labor force, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, but few experts believe they're taking jobs from Americans, as Trump claims. "Most economists agree that in spite of being a very big part of the labor force, immigrants have not come at the cost either of American jobs, nor of American wages," Peri, the UC Davis professor, said. The reason is that immigrants often have jobs that Americans tend not to take. So instead of competing with Americans' for work, immigrants tend to complement American workers. Wendy Estrada, a 30-year-old Honduran immigrant training to become a certified nursing assistant listens to Center at Park West resident Maria Ruvalcaba sing. Immigrants make up a large share of health care aides in the U.S. Photo by Barbara Davidson/Los Angeles Times via Getty Images On a farm, for example, owners, managers and salespeople are often born in America. Immigrants tend to work as field hands. Neither group could do their job without the other. Immigrants who work as child care providers give Americans, specifically women, more opportunity to join the labor force. And immigrants are playing an increasingly critical role in taking care of the elderly as baby boomers retire. Census data shows that immigrants accounted for 24 percent of nursing, psychiatric and home care aides in 2015. WATCH: What happened when this struggling city opened its arms to refugees A study from the bipartisan research organization New American Economy found immigrants were 15 percent more likely to work unusual hours than similar U.S.-born workers. They are also more likely to be employed in dangerous jobs, according to data from the American Community Survey and Bureau of Statistics. In addition, the latest jobs report shows the U.S. economy performing strongly enough that it can absorb large numbers of workers, including immigrants. Immigrants fill those roles in part because they are on average less educated than native-born Americans. About 26 percent have less than a high school degree, compared to 5 percent of native-born workers, according to the Urban Institute. But one in three immigrant workers have a college or advanced degree, a rate on par with Americans born here. Unauthorized immigrants tend to have slightly lower education levels; about 13 percent have college degrees.

Myth #3: The U.S. economy does not need immigrants

Fact: Immigrants are key to offsetting a falling birth rate The U.S. birth rate is 1.8 births per woman, down from 3.65 in 1960, according to the World Bank. Demographers consider 2.1 births per woman as the rate needed to replace the existing population. According to the Pew Research Center, if not for immigrants, the U.S. workforce would be shrinking. That would create a host of problems for the federal government. If not for immigrants, the U.S. workforce would be shrinking. Social Security, which is paid for by current workers, would be in even more serious budgetary trouble than it already is. Economic growth would also likely stagnate or even contract, as it has in Japan, a country where the population is shrinking and does not attract many immigrants. Automation can buttress economic growth for a while, but investment in new technology only goes so far, said Betsey Stevenson, an associate professor of economics at the University of Michigan. Plus, immigrants increase demand for goods and services, which further boosts economic growth, she added.

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy





Americans are being forced into part time service industry jobs and not having children or owning property because either ruins your chances of reaching the middle class.

Capitalism needs a poor underclass a long with continued population growth and consumption to sustain itself.

Enter immigration. Dont hate the player hate the game
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they take in more resources than they give us. that's a fact

Actually, that's not a fact.

Actually...that's both demonstrably and egregiously false.

4 myths about how immigrants affect the U.S. economy

Myth #1: Immigrants take more from the U.S. government than they contribute

Fact: Immigrants contribute more in tax revenue than they take in government benefits

A 2017 report from the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine found immigration “has an overall positive impact on the long-run economic growth in the U.S.”

How that breaks down is important.

First-generation immigrants cost the government more than native-born Americans, according to the report — about $1,600 per person annually. But second generation immigrants are “among the strongest fiscal and economic contributors in the U.S.,” the report found. They contribute about $1,700 per person per year. All other native-born Americans, including third generation immigrants, contribute $1,300 per year on average.

It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits.

It’s also important to note that less-educated immigrants tend to work more than people with the same level of education born in the U.S. About half of all U.S.-born Americans with no high school diploma work, compared to about 70 percent of immigrants with the same education level, Giovanni Peri, an economics professor at the University of California, Davis, said in a recent interview with PBS NewsHour.

In general, more people working means more taxes — and that’s true overall with undocumented immigrants as well. Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy.
 

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of course not

because she accurately stated that illegals hurt employment for people that are already here, she was clearly a racist cac :jayfdup:
We all agree with her:

It should be no surprise, therefore, that these demands for economic justice were taken up by the wife of Martin Luther King, who in 1991 joined with eight CEO’s of America’s leading African American organizations to oppose Republican Senator Orin Hatch’s bill to do away with sanctions against employers who persisted in hiring illegal aliens as a means of discriminating and reducing the wages of against African Americans.

In America, no true reform can ever come until the most demagogic politicians cease their deliberate obfuscation of the difference between legal and illegal immigration, and begin streamlining the procedures for legal immigration, which is now so difficult that relatively few can navigate or afford it. When this is done, any wall built will always have doors.

You know we did this dance a couple weeks ago. :francis:
 
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