Forbes: Falling Illegal Immigration Numbers Confirm No Border Crisis

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This isn't an argument.

Can you address the OP please?
You've thoroughly embarrassed yourself @∆y = f(∆x)
illegal immigration has DECREASED over the last decade.

Whats your point?

They're still coming.

Some of you may have failed calculus without grasping why this is still a problem.

Illegal immigration is bad for black America. If you don't care, just say so.
 

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I don't give a fukk. :russ:

@Rhakim is all up in your ass with facts and you're choosing to engage a "troll" instead because you've got nothing. :umad:
What facts?

You don't care about anything in this document, do you?



How about this document congressional academic review?




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illegal immigration has DECREASED over the last decade.

Whats your point?

The point is that there's no "crisis".

You know, as a result of illegal immigration decreasing.

Are you really this obtuse? :bpgucci:

They're still coming.

Hint: They always will. :stephena1:

There cannot be a complete cessation of illegals coming here for a multitude of reasons.

It's called "acceptable losses". If you can't see this, you're naive.

Illegal immigration is bad for black America. If you don't care, just say so.

Believe it or not, Nap, that's not what the OP was about. You are aware these two points:

-Illegal immigration negatively affects African-Americans, and
-There is no "border crisis" as conservatives have described

...aren't mutually exclusive, right? :bpgucci:

That being said, it's not really in my Top 5 most pressing issues for the African-American community, no. :kanyebp:
 
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The point is that there's no "crisis".
Theres a crisis against black unemployment, but no one wants to talk about it.
You know, as a result of illegal immigration decreasing.

Are you really this obtuse?
Why are you hung up on it being a "crisis" or not?

I'm talking about the validity of the original post, and that its ultimately disingenuous.
Hint: They always will.

There cannot be a complete cessation of illegals coming here for a multitude of reasons.
I wholly disagree and I think black Americans should actively speak up about how this affects them
If you can't see this, you're naive.

You can't keep suppressing this
It's not really in my Top 5 most pressing issues for the African-American community, no.

Labor employment and labor discrimination are THE most important issues for African Americans.

You are wrong.
 

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Theres a crisis against black unemployment, but no one wants to talk about it.

The problem is that you're conflating two issues that are only tangentially related.

The OP disproves the narrative that there are swarms of illegal immigrants descending on the southern boarder like locusts.

It is, quite literally, a Trumped-up situation.

Why are you hung up on it being a "crisis" or not?

I'm talking about the validity of the original post

Did you read the title of the f*cking thread, much less the OP? :bpgucci:

I wholly disagree

You're naive.

You literally said "illegal immigration has decreased over time. So?" :mjlolhairfade:

That's the whole f*cking point of why it's not a crisis. :bptchallalol:

This is just embarrassing argumentation, even for you. :tchallascust2:
 

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you want the same standard as Ellis Island huh?

https://www.history.com/news/9-things-you-may-not-know-about-ellis-island

Of the 12 million people who passed through its doors between 1892 and 1954, only around 2 percent were deemed unfit to become citizens of the United States.

You seem to have missed that line, which was the key point there and basically negates anything else you were trying to come at him with.



Agree with the bolded. The rest is a joke.

Within our current system, you are calling for $15 minimum living wages on one hand and openly advocating for illegals to keep coming and to do work that undercuts those wages with your other hand:hhh:
You don't get the point though - if you mandate a living wage, then undocumented workers CAN'T undercut the wages. Since the employer knows they have to pay a living wage regardless, they have no reason not to hire someone who can work legally, speaks fluent English, has an American education, knows American culture, etc. Employers are willing to deal with the drawbacks of hiring undocumented labor because the lower pay rates justify the other risks and difficulties. You remove those lower pay rates then you kill their motivation for going undocumented.



I don't give a fukk. :russ:

@Rhakim is all up in your ass with facts and you're choosing to engage a "troll" instead because you've got nothing. :umad:
I'm apparently owning someone I have on ignore whose arguments I can't even see. :wow:
 

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The problem is that you're conflating two issues that are only tangentially related.

The OP disproves the narrative that there are swarms of illegal immigrants descending on the southern boarder like locusts.

It is, quite literally, a Trumped-up situation.



Did you read the title of the f*cking thread, much less the OP? :bpgucci:



You're naive.

You literally said "illegal immigration has decreased over time. So?" :mjlolhairfade:

That's the whole f*cking point of why it's not a crisis. :bptchallalol:

This is just embarrassing argumentation, even for you. :tchallascust2:
Did you read the article?

I'm supposed to take a reduction in arrivals when theres still tens of thousands of people filtering in monthly???????

Going from 30,000 to 20,000 is a 33% decrease!

WOW!

Come on bro.

Are you really this daft?

Show me what I'm supposed to be so thrilled by.

Aint shyt change in the last 5 years. It rises and falls with the seasons.

They're just using this article to poke at the narrative of a "crisis"...which is to say...this shyt is always in between 10 to 30 thousand A MONTH!

Oh and the article made up bullshyt statistics.

They said this and its completely fukking useless:

As noted here, the number of apprehensions and people deemed inadmissible at ports of entry the first three months of FY 2019 was actually lower than during those same three months in FY 2017. That was the year DHS referred to as “the lowest level of illegal cross-border migration on record.”) (See here and here for data.) The first three months of FY 2019 did see a higher number of apprehensions and inadmissible encounters at ports of entry than during the first three months of FY 2018.

Dude. Look at those three months in the CBP's own chart below:

They legitimately took THREE months out of the whole year then said its lower than those three months of the lowest year on record. So? The year ain't over!

Its a complete farce and no respecting academic or statistician would ever use that argumentation. Thats goddamn malpractice unless you're just interesting in just supporting a narrative that protects illegal immigrants.

DHS RELEASES SOUTHWEST BORDER ENFORCEMENT STATISTICS

Southwest Border Migration FY 2019 | U.S. Customs and Border Protection


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I swear to god, @Black Panther you need to sit with that chart for some time and come to terms with the fact the CBP just killed your entire argument.

Respect yourself and come at me correctly. Stop using cheap political arguments. LOOK at the source documents.

You're wrong about this shyt.

Take an hour and break that chart down. Its not a good look.
 

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:mjlol: Ignore the thousands of societal factors that the US directly causes and contributes too which encourages and openly courts undocumented workers to make their way to the US (btw again, the overwhelming majority of undocumented migrants is literally what it implies, people who overstay their visa's and thus are undocumented) for the betterment of their lives because you wanna blame everything on the importation of less than half a million people a year.

"BUILD THE WALL, BORDER SECURITY :damn:" does the same as the TSA, nothing. It's theater, it's a bunch of meathead highschool dropouts (so a lot of y'all :steviej:) playing super soldier against a bunch of starving brown folks. There isn't some hoard of people massing at the border crossing it, which is why 70% of all undocumented immigrants are concentrated in 5 states.

You're all screaming at the big ole scary boogieman that the oligarchs tell you to be scared of while they plunder and pilfer and exploit the people that they tell you to be scared of and use them as cheap labor.

Don't scream at the symptom of societies degradation into a feudal nation state. It's like being pissed at a runny nose when you've got walking pneumonia. You've got to actually treat the life threatening issue that's causing the rest of these things to happen rather than just ignore it and take a bunch of cold meds while going "mission accomplished".
 

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TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE :damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:

Nap, tens of thousands of people a month is nothing. It's negligible. There's literally more than that in legal immigration twice over every month. It could be triple that and the US could still sustain it.

All of your posts ignore the root cause, that the issue isn't immigration, it's capitalism and how it's main functionaries undercut native low-skill workers because they suffer no consequences for paying immigrants, legal and illegal, a far lower wage than they have to offer a native born citizen. You are once again blaming the symptoms of the problem before you get to the actual problem, because then you'd have to reckon that the politicians you champion and the politics you champion which are textbook neoliberalism are actively creating this environment where you scream into the wind about how it's all MEXICOS FAULT when the reality is that it's societies fault for allowing companies to exploit these people and give them incentives to draw them here on top of the thousands of other factors that influence the migration of peoples from a South America that the US has spent the better part of it's existence destabilizing and interfering with.

There's less than a handful of studies that promote the ideology that Immigration is the primary driving cause of African American wages decreasing, these studies are overwhelmingly funded by think tanks like the RAND corporation, I can just as easily find studies

The Effects of Immigration on the United States’ Economy

About the net benefit of immigration on the US economy specifically for people in the lower income brackets. There is minimal supporting evidence that there is active causation between the increase in immigration from 1960 on to the marginal decrease in black involvement in the labor market. Most of those "studies" (which in reality are composed by neo-con hard right people that, for instance, believe that white people have a naturally higher IQ) in the actual log data show that WHITE low skill workers are actually more impacted by immigration.
 

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:mjlol: Ignore the thousands of societal factors that the US directly causes and contributes too which encourages and openly courts undocumented workers to make their way to the US

Everyone has a story.

Theres nothing the USA could do perfectly for you to not find some reason to blame the USA.

Wheres their accountability?

What about OUR unemployed and underserved?

(btw again, the overwhelming majority of undocumented migrants is literally what it implies, people who overstay their visa's and thus are undocumented) for the betterment of their lives because you wanna blame everything on the importation of less than half a million people a year.
So?

"BUILD THE WALL, BORDER SECURITY :damn:" does the same as the TSA, nothing. It's theater, it's a bunch of meathead highschool dropouts (so a lot of y'all :steviej:) playing super soldier against a bunch of starving brown folks. There isn't some hoard of people massing at the border crossing it, which is why 70% of all undocumented immigrants are concentrated in 5 states.
I don't support the wall.
You're all screaming at the big ole scary boogieman that the oligarchs tell you to be scared of while they plunder and pilfer and exploit the people that they tell you to be scared of and use them as cheap labor.
So why are you talking to me?

I don't support illegal labor.

WTF are you rambling about oligarchs for? I stand on my own two feet.

Don't scream at the symptom of societies degradation into a feudal nation state. It's like being pissed at a runny nose when you've got walking pneumonia. You've got to actually treat the life threatening issue that's causing the rest of these things to happen rather than just ignore it and take a bunch of cold meds while going "mission accomplished".
This metaphor sucks.
 

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TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE :damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn::damn:

Nap, tens of thousands of people a month is nothing. It's negligible. There's literally more than that in legal immigration twice over every month. It could be triple that and the US could still sustain it.
Its not "negligible.

Theres between 12-15+ million illegals. Thats not "nothing"

Thats like 1/4th of the number of black people in the entire country.
All of your posts ignore the root cause, that the issue isn't immigration, it's capitalism
Wrong.

Don't tell me capitalism is the problem when black people weren't allowed to be capitalists. We want to eat too.

Its exploitation of their status as a border to the USA. Mexico did not do enough to stop it.
and how it's main functionaries undercut native low-skill workers because they suffer no consequences for paying immigrants, legal and illegal, a far lower wage than they have to offer a native born citizen.
They shouldn't be here in the first place. Who cares why they came?

Then when asked how to fix it, all you wanna do is blame the USA and suggest we fund their governments (I remember yall being against trade deals for some reason) and ignore that this is a 40+ year problem. This isn't new.
You are once again blaming the symptoms of the problem before you get to the actual problem, because then you'd have to reckon that the politicians you champion and the politics you champion which are textbook neoliberalism are actively creating this environment where you scream into the wind about how it's all MEXICOS FAULT when the reality is that it's societies fault for allowing companies to exploit these people and give them incentives to draw them here on top of the thousands of other factors that influence the migration of peoples from a South America that the US has spent the better part of it's existence destabilizing and interfering with.
This is just buzzword bullshyt.

You were literally talking about creating solutions but now you have a problem with "neoliberalism"

That word is more useless in 2018 than a typewriter.

You dont know what it means and you use it when you don't even know that you're contradicting yourself.

We have enough low wage unskilled labor. We shouldn't undercut BLACK American's who try to get some skin in the game.
There's less than a handful of studies that promote the ideology that Immigration is the primary driving cause of African American wages decreasing, these studies are overwhelmingly funded by think tanks like the RAND corporation, I can just as easily find studies

The Effects of Immigration on the United States’ Economy
Why aren't you talking to BLACK labor?

What are you afraid of?

About the net benefit of immigration on the US economy specifically for people in the lower income brackets. There is minimal supporting evidence that there is active causation between the increase in immigration from 1960 on to the marginal decrease in black involvement in the labor market. Most of those "studies" (which in reality are composed by neo-con hard right people that, for instance, believe that white people have a naturally higher IQ) in the actual log data show that WHITE low skill workers are actually more impacted by immigration.

Is this a white Neo-con pushing race science?

Don't hit me with that Charles Murray Heritage Foundation/CATO/AEI bullshyt.

I know EXACTLY where I stand. The only one is YOU.




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Insane 2006 C-Span clip where black callers said black politicians avoided illegal immigration issue


ALL the black callers hated illegal immigration :wow:

The woman is a professor who tried to smooth that shyt over but ALL the callers were talking about the unfair obstacles black labor faced in Los Angeles

Here's the video: African Americans Immigration Policy, Apr 15 2006 | Video | C-SPAN.org

She even had the audacity to suggest WE learn Spanish :dahell:

C-Span 2006 interview African Americans and Immigration Policy Professor Jackson talked about the effects of illegal immigration on African Americans. She is one of the 15 members of the Human Relations Commission in Los Angeles. Topics included class issues, unemployment among African American youths, and bigotry





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