Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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Keeping it in the spirit of tsc :spookyfingers:
For Competitors Only .:. The Official 2017 Miami Heat Off-Season Thread
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All this over a kid who was 20 years old last time we saw him play. No offense to anyone but this is why I often dont take player evaluations from non-athletic white boys seriously. "worst offensive game in the NBA" 
we know who didnt watch Andre Roberson in the playoffs
we know who didnt watch Andre Roberson in the playoffs
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If watching Winslow on offense wasn't frustrating to you, I don't know.
A starter can't be ignored on offense in this era... None of those players were that bad offensively, where you're taking more shots than scoring points.
And who said don't give him a chance? I said IF the goal is to win games, based on what we've seen so far, you don't roll into the season with your SF production relying only on him
I went into last season only giving a shyt about Winslow, Whiteside and Richardson. I don't have anything against dude.
This is the list of SF that averaged more assists per game than Justise:
Lebron
Batum
Butler
Giannis
KD
Kawhi
That's it. He averaged more assists than guys like Paul George, Hayward and Melo. Not bad for a 20 year old small forward. All those guys and the ones ranked ahead of him have the ball in their hands a lot more than Justise. So to say "he was 100% useless on offense" is idiotic. Everyone knows he has to improve his J but his high IQ and playmakig allows him to contribute while he develops his J.
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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Needs to improve is a severe understatement. He shot 28% on all jumpers last year and 46% at the rim. When you're that bad, teams can basically ignore you and date you to shoot. Look at what our offense was midway through the season this past year. He's a big reason why. 3.7 assists per game doesn't offset that. Same reason that you shouldn't look at assist numbers for Rubio to Hague his value on offense.
You're ignoring the fact that he was 7th in the league in APG at his position despite the fact that he's not much of a threat to score. It's easier to create and get assists when you're a threat to score because defenses have to help and/or pay more attention thus opening up more opportunities for others. So he's creating for others without that advantage right now.
Also the team's offense was at its best when Waiters and Ellington were both healthy and playing at the same time. Those 2 played in like less than half of the games Justise played. So you're putting the team's scoring problems on Winslow without taking into consideration that they were missing 2 of their most effective offensive players in the majority of games Justise played.
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-Acting like Winslow ain't gonna improve and is a bad offensive player is dumb. Kid has great vision and IQ. I also like his willlingness to take and make the big shots.
-But also acting like Winslow wasn't an awful scorer is stupid. Winslow isn't just a bad scorer, he's posted some of the worst scoring numbers since MKG, Ricki Rubio, and Roberson. Y'all cracking jokes on Roberson but Winslow's shooting is at that SAME LEVEL.
Guys like Kawhi, Butler, etc. showed signs that they were capable scorers. Butler could get go the line and was a great FT shooter, Kawhi has always been relatively efficient, etc.
Justise hasn't shown an inkling of star scoring talent yet. He hasn't shown the footwork or scoring creativity that a guy like rookoe Donavan Mitchell or Fultz has shown. Winslow's scoring makes MKG look like a capable scorer.
I dunno why cats get so emotional and can't be fair about this. Winslow is, by all accounts, one of the worst scorers in the league but he's still an impactful overall player. He's great at everything except scoring where's he among the worst around. He's also young so that will probably change but people are using guys like Giannis, Butler, Kawhi, etc as examples but those guys are much more efficient than Justise ever was.
I don't think cats realize how bad a sub 40% TS is. It's so bad that I'm actually assuming it had to be the injury but your future star shooting 35% is cause for concern.
-But also acting like Winslow wasn't an awful scorer is stupid. Winslow isn't just a bad scorer, he's posted some of the worst scoring numbers since MKG, Ricki Rubio, and Roberson. Y'all cracking jokes on Roberson but Winslow's shooting is at that SAME LEVEL.
Guys like Kawhi, Butler, etc. showed signs that they were capable scorers. Butler could get go the line and was a great FT shooter, Kawhi has always been relatively efficient, etc.
Justise hasn't shown an inkling of star scoring talent yet. He hasn't shown the footwork or scoring creativity that a guy like rookoe Donavan Mitchell or Fultz has shown. Winslow's scoring makes MKG look like a capable scorer.
I dunno why cats get so emotional and can't be fair about this. Winslow is, by all accounts, one of the worst scorers in the league but he's still an impactful overall player. He's great at everything except scoring where's he among the worst around. He's also young so that will probably change but people are using guys like Giannis, Butler, Kawhi, etc as examples but those guys are much more efficient than Justise ever was.
I don't think cats realize how bad a sub 40% TS is. It's so bad that I'm actually assuming it had to be the injury but your future star shooting 35% is cause for concern.
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Justice has a very long way to go before he form into a decent scorer.
You always writing essays dawg dont make do it to youJust put me on ignore unless you gonna talk basketball, you annoying fukk
Eh, I dunno about that. Dude has a knack for getting into the paint, he has a variety of finishes (Floaters, push shots, spins, etc), he's great at attacking aggressive close outs, using his body or the rim to shield off defenders when driving, etc.
I think Winslow really needs one or two moves that can get him to his main spots on the floors. If he can hit open jumpers, get a step back for his mid-range, and increase his choice in finishes when he gets into the paint..his numbers will skyrocket. I also need him to do the Steph Curry ball-handling drills
It's funny because Winslow is surprisingly good at the stuff that older vets do to get their shots off. His decision making is
Who cares? If you can't read, use text to speech or ignore me. I like discussing basketball. Get off my dikk.
