For Competitors Only .:. The Official 2017 Miami Heat Off-Season Thread

[Draje]

I still question whether Winslow and James Johnson can coexist since they play the same position.

I know Spoelstra is a big believer in position-less basketball but still with the heavy minutes Window will need to develop finding minutes for both he and JJ2 on the floor is gonna be a problem.

Provided we keep Johnson of course. If hate to list the guy

Winslow and JJ can play with anyone. I saw Winslow play center and play SF. Winslow sets great screens, is a great cutter, and passer too.

Hell, I still think Winslow is a tightened handle up from being a cornerstone point guard / playmaker type after Dragic passes the torch.

 

[Freddie.Cane]

@King Musa

 

[intruder]

Johnson is 4 & Winslow is a 3?

He used to be a 4 when he was heavier. Not so sure he still is at this point. But again with Spo's system i'm sure he'll work it out

 

[Freddie.Cane]

He used to be a 4 when he was heavier. Not so sure he still is at this point. But again with Spo's system i'm sure he'll work it out

Breh u got to start watching the games :Lolmj3:

 

[intruder]

Winslow and JJ can play with anyone. I saw Winslow play center and play SF. Winslow sets great screens, is a great cutter, and passer too.

Hell, I still think Winslow is a tightened handle up from being a cornerstone point guard / playmaker type after Dragic passes the torch.

Well i always say your position really doesnt matter when you are on offense. It's the defense that has to adjust to you at that point.

On defense, however you have to adjust as to who you can guard. I'm fine with Winslow playing point guard but can he guard other smaller speedy point guards for 30+ minutes without getting in foul trouble? Can he guard other bigger stronger centers for 30+ minutes without getting in foul trouble? That's a NO on both of those night in and night out.

And remember the kid is still developping ssh db1b so last thing we want is to keep getting him in foul trouble and he cant get minutes. But yeah as far as offense position really doeesnt matter if he can handle the ball

 

[intruder]

Breh u got to start watching the games :Lolmj3:

I have and i see a big 3/small 4 ala Lebron. No true 4.

We can get away with it for a while but we've been playing with undersized 4s for a while now. Haslem somehwat. Lebron part of the time. And now Johnson.

Unless we switch Winslow toa SG but i just dont see it.

 

[OfTheCross]

I have and i see a big 3/small 4 ala Lebron. No true 4.

We can get away with it for a while but we've been playing with undersized 4s for a while now. Haslem somehwat. Lebron part of the time. And now Johnson.

Unless we switch Winslow toa SG but i just dont see it.

We play positionless basketball:CoachSpo:

 

[Primetime21]

Fair point, but if you were to tank it'd be wise to ship off anyone who isn't young and cheap. So with that in mind, trading Hassan; Dragic, Ellington, and Tyler would make the most sense. Trading away those guys increases your chances at getting high upside picks and gives you more young talent.

This is why I'm against the idea of tanking. As tantalizing as top picks are, all they are at the end of the day is a number. We know Whiteside is an all star/all nba caliber center, and we know Dragic is a very good, maybe even underrated PG on a value contract. Before Whiteside, how many years had it been since we had a great center? What about point guards before Dragic? I'd rather roll with the known commodities and trust the scouting department to do their job.

 

[Captain Crunch]

@Primetime21
I understand how you feel, but tanking is to get a couple of all stars that can win a championship. Sure you can win with out those "guys"(04 Pistons; '11 Mavs, '14 Spurs) but those are exceptions, and in the Spurs case they had overwhelming depth against a team with no depth. There's no guarantee we build a dynasty or even a contender by tanking, but it gives us the best upside, while just about everyone agrees that this team can't win.

 

[Primetime21]

@Captain_Crunch

If we being reality when has that formula worked in recent memory? The Cavs didn't tank they were a legitimately awful team who lucked up when Bron decided to "go home". We didn't tank for picks we held out on cap space to sign guys. Spurs didnt tank, Celtics didn't tank, Mavericks didn't tank. Those teams either got lucky in FA or developed talent in house (GS), I think those are our routes. Tanking is very rarely a 1 time quick fix. All the usual suspects in the lottery are repeat offenders for a reason

 

[HiphopRelated]

Hassan will be Hassan and Dragic will be Dragic.

As far as Winslow, he has to show something this year. His scoring has to improve.

The lack of progression with him and Richardson was a wasted year (and I understand the injuries)

Everything else is a wildcard.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Fair enough fam, give me the option with the biggest upside, even it's just as likely to bust.

If you truly believe this team can win a chip, then I can't do nothing but respect it. Those who feel this team can't win but want to keep these guys together are the worst of the worst.

 

[Primetime21]

Fair enough fam, give me the option with the biggest upside, even it's just as likely to bust.

If you truly believe this team can win a chip, then I can't do nothing but respect it. Those who feel this team can't win but want to keep these guys together are the worst of the worst.

breh I dont think any of us want this team to sit on hands and do nothing, I'm just in the group that wants to build upon what we currently have not blow it all up for a prayer

 

[Captain Crunch]

breh I dont think any of us want this team to sit on hands and do nothing, I'm just in the group that wants to build upon what we currently have not blow it all up for a prayer

I never said you was in the group breh. Prime you seem like you believe that either Waiters or Winslow will become that star the Heat desperately needs.

The despicable ones are the folks on forums/790 the Ticket, who flat out said this team can't win a title yet want to keep the core together. nikkas sounding like HS coaches on some "sure we won't win but I love this team, we're a squad of so much fire and passion "
Anyone who falls into that category above can eat a dikk

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

@Captain_Crunch

If we being reality when has that formula worked in recent memory? The Cavs didn't tank they were a legitimately awful team who lucked up when Bron decided to "go home". We didn't tank for picks we held out on cap space to sign guys. Spurs didnt tank, Celtics didn't tank, Mavericks didn't tank. Those teams either got lucky in FA or developed talent in house (GS), I think those are our routes. Tanking is very rarely a 1 time quick fix. All the usual suspects in the lottery are repeat offenders for a reason

The usual lottery teams are there annually because they have no clue how to build or coach once they do get pieces and they think that it'll just fix itself as they get high picks. Obviously the heat aren't a team like that. The spurs did tank the 1996-97 season. They've made great moves ever since is the thing. The Celtics did tank for a season by trading their core guys away. Billy king just gave them a kings ransom and then they got Isaiah Thomas for pennies. Dallas hasn't tanked for the last 5 years and have been in limbo, making the playoffs every year and losing in the first round each time they make it. I don't like the concept of just stripping the roster for parts, but a step or two back might be needed in order to get the player that's good enough to put us over the top. Ideally we see great improvement from Winslow and waiters and maybe that's enough. Fingers crossed, but that'd be an unprecedented turn of events. I'm holding out hope we can swing a trade of some kind.