Religion/Spirituality For atheists: What would God have to do to prove to you that he's real?

[Everythingg]

I like to avoid repeating myself over and over to gibbering idiots. I'll explain the faults in your position maybe twice for entertainment value but once I see your wilful ignorance overpowers any logical impulse in your brain I'll stop and point out to the rest of the forum that you believe witches are real.

Repeating yourself? I asked why you think that God taking offense at a being ( that only exists because of God) saying that there is no God means that God is not supreme and you dont answer. Am I supposed to know the reason you stated this? Of course not unless you think I can read minds. Instead of saying the reason, you resort to insults lol. But its cool because I should expect that by now with my past dealings with you.

And add another post to your count of posts where you cut my quotes up so you dont have to respond to something. Thats cool as well.... Use your free will to place your faith in yourself and see where that gets you. It wont get you far my friend but maybe for you (as you've suggested) SEEING IS BELIEVING.

 

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Repeating yourself? I asked why you think that God taking offense at a being ( that only exists because of God) saying that there is no God means that God is not supreme and you dont answer.

I said that a god that catches feelings makes him not very supreme. You don't have to read minds to work out why that may be. Go away and have a think. And if you can't figure it out then forget about it. Or ask a grown up.

 

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So you're not willing to read the bible, you're not willing to research what is currently going on, you're not willing to research what your leaders are planning, so what do you have? Just a guy waltzing thru life without a care?

I've read a lot of the Bible. I've done research. I'm not watching your video because it pertains to something you were discussing with someone else and you've admitted it doesn't prove your god which is the topic of the post so I'm not concerned with it.

I waltz through life without a care. Sure, aside from my children, my family, my wife, my career, my friends, other people, my interests, and the causes I support... yeah I suppose aside from all that I live life without a care. Congratulations for carving out the goings on of my life from a small number of blog posts.

 

[Everythingg]

I said that a god that catches feelings makes him not very supreme. You don't have to read minds to work out why that may be. Go away and have a think. And if you can't figure it out then forget about it. Or ask a grown up.

Why is that so in YOUR opinion? I dont agree with it friend so me "thinking about it" isnt going to change the fact that I do not agree with it. So to see it from YOUR perspective, I would need YOUR reasoning on why you believe that way. If you dont want to share, well I dont know why you stated it in the first place.

 

[Everythingg]

I've read a lot of the Bible. I've done research. I'm not watching your video because it pertains to something you were discussing with someone else and you've admitted it doesn't prove your god which is the topic of the post so I'm not concerned with it.

Reading "alot of the bible" is not the same as reading it in full my friend. Not to mention that theres mention of what they're trying to do in the bible. Thats one example I posted in Psalms 2.

I waltz through life without a care. Sure, aside from my children, my family, my wife, my career, my friends, other people, my interests, and the causes I support... yeah I suppose aside from all that I live life without a care. Congratulations for carving out the goings on of my life from a small number of blog posts.

Yes. Thats what it means because If you TRULY cared for those people as you claimed would you not verify something that could GREATLY affect their lives in the future? Or do you think that George Bush and other presidents are actually working in your best interests? So yea if you CARE about those people you would take a look at their surroundings and ensure that they are at the LEAST aware of them. At best, you would be doing your best to prohibit their plans if they are not in your best interest. But you're too scared to even address the video let alone to research it.

Im not saying you dont love them. Im just saying LOOK OUT for them. As the head of your house thats YOUR job. But if you want your descendants blindsided, I guess continue as you are. Maybe they'll be saved anyways

 

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Why is that so in YOUR opinion? I dont agree with it friend so me "thinking about it" isnt going to change the fact that I do not agree with it. So to see it from YOUR perspective, I would need YOUR reasoning on why you believe that way. If you dont want to share, well I dont know why you stated it in the first place.

Alright then. Emotions like anger, jealousy are traits in humans that we view as weaknesses that many of us try to work on. We try anger management and learn to be happy in our lives in order to reduce jealousy because deep down (most of us) know it's a feeling that comes from silly things. As for taking offence, well, the older I've grown and the wiser about the world I've become I've learned not to become offended at things. I can understand where people's "offensive" words and thoughts come from and I can learn when any phrase or action doesn't apply to me.

It seems to me that any supreme being who knows and feels the root and true minds of all beings in his universe that he created, knows the outcome of every person's free will and their capacity to believe in information around them, would know enough not to become angry, jealous or offended. Like a wise old father who doesn't rise to his child's temper tantrums, instead he let's it pass and understands where his child's emotions come from. His father has experienced all of this and knows how to handle it.

Now that aside it seems ludicrous that a force that creates the universe feels any emotion at all. Why would it? It would be the epitome of calmness.

 

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But you're too scared to even address the video let alone to research it.

Wilful ignorance.

 

[Everythingg]

Wilful ignorance.

This is surprising. I didnt think you would admit that you were exhibiting the behavior of willfully being ignorant of things. But here we are lol

 

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This is surprising. I didnt think you would admit that you were exhibiting the behavior of willfully being ignorant of things. But here we are lol

Tactics of an 8 year old. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

 

[Everythingg]

Alright then. Emotions like anger, jealousy are traits in humans that we view as weaknesses that many of us try to work on. We try anger management and learn to be happy in our lives in order to reduce jealousy because deep down (most of us) know it's a feeling that comes from silly things. As for taking offence, well, the older I've grown and the wiser about the world I've become I've learned not to become offended at things. I can understand where people's "offensive" words and thoughts come from and I can learn when any phrase or action doesn't apply to me.

It seems to me that any supreme being who knows and feels the root and true minds of all beings in his universe that he created, knows the outcome of every person's free will and their capacity to believe in information around them, would know enough not to become angry, jealous or offended. Like a wise old father who doesn't rise to his child's temper tantrums, instead he let's it pass and understands where his child's emotions come from. His father has experienced all of this and knows how to handle it.

Now that aside it seems ludicrous that a force that creates the universe feels any emotion at all. Why would it? It would be the epitome of calmness.

Now I see where you're coming for though I disagree.

Let me ask you this, if your child disrespects you at a young age do you correct him? Or let him continue on in his disrespect?

 

[Everythingg]

Tactics of an 8 year old. Whatever makes you feel better about yourself.

I agree. Pretending something doesnt exist (willful ignorance) are tactics of a child lol.

Nah, but cutting my posts up so you dont have to respond to what you dont like, are childish tactics. Thats fine though my friend, you can end the convo anytime you feel like. I just believe that when Im conversing with someone that I PROGRESS in the convo, instead of cutting up posts so I dont have to respond to certain things.

I make a full post and you cut out alot of the post so you dont have to respond to it. You think that its "caring" of you to ignore the political ramifications of what leaders are planning for the future of the world? The future that will eventually affect your children and your children's children? I dont. But just cut this out of my post as well. I wish we could cut out what they're planning out of existence but I guess that's what my God is for. ;)

 

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Now I see where you're coming for though I disagree.

Let me ask you this, if your child disrespects you at a young age do you correct him? Or let him continue on in his disrespect?

Do I correct him with anger? Ideally, no. If I do, which sometimes happens, I regret it and it's usually the result of some other frustration. When I'm at my calmest and clearest of mind, I explain to my child why they shouldn't do something. However I recognise where it comes from. I display patience and understanding. What part of that comes anger, jealousy or offence?

 

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I agree. Pretending something doesnt exist (willful ignorance) are tactics of a child lol.

Disbelief isn't pretence. Nice try.

Nah, but cutting my posts up so you dont have to respond to what you dont like, are childish tactics. Thats fine though my friend, you can end the convo anytime you feel like. I just believe that when Im conversing with someone that I PROGRESS in the convo, instead of cutting up posts so I dont have to respond to certain things.

Already covered. Wilful ignorance gets ignored. Nice try.

I make a full post and you cut out alot of the post so you dont have to respond to it. You think that its "caring" of you to ignore the political ramifications of what leaders are planning for the future of the world? The future that will eventually affect your children and your children's children? I dont. But just cut this out of my post as well. I wish we could cut out what they're planning out of existence but I guess that's what my God is for. ;)

Assumptions. Not watching your video because it doesn't pertain to the matter isn't the same as ignoring political ramifications. Nice try.

 

[NoMayo15]

Nothing vague about post 223 now was it? See after I progressed the convo what did you do? Did you respond to what I said to continue PROGRESSING in the convo? Au contrair, you put up a gif and disregard the whole post. Then come with this "vague" talk. Oh well you were given free will and allowed to use it as you seek fit.

Yes, you continued being vague. You never answered what you thought about Bush's comment or what point you were trying to make. You just kept repeating the same question, and further asserted that you weren't being vague, or rambling incoherent nonsense. I mean there was just so much wrong with the post, that I didn't feel like addressing them all. The fact remains that at that point you had asked the same question several times, without making a coherent point, or relating it to the topic at hand. You said I don't realize what humanity is facing... well fukking spell it out! Stop being so cryptic, and say it.

I came to be of help in any way possible. But if you dont accept it, then it is what it is. I guess you'll see if Bush was talking about a "government for the people". Well you or your descendants.

If you wanted to be of help you would make your position plain and as clear as possible to people. Responding to questions by ignoring it and asking another question isn't progressing. I don't understand how you can think it's helpful to when asked why you think, for example, society is more immoral than it was in the past, you post an excerpt from a former president, and ask what we think it means. Don't you see how that doesn't follow? That you're not building anything close to a coherent argument? If you think that makes sense, or answers the question at all, then you are more dense than I realized.

 

[Everythingg]

Do I correct him with anger? Ideally, no. If I do, which sometimes happens, I regret it and it's usually the result of some other frustration. When I'm at my calmest and clearest of mind, I explain to my child why they shouldn't do something. However I recognise where it comes from. I display patience and understanding. What part of that comes anger, jealousy or offence?

Doesnt matter. To act as if its "wrong" to have anger is a weird way of thinking.But my question wasnt about "anger" because God doesnt always answer with "anger". Though if you get a lifetime of chances, than you get what you get if you were warned in advance.

Besides, Im sure you punish your child right?