"Folks want to be Malcolm X while having the economic policies of Ronald Reagan"

[AlainLocke]

He chose to follow Elijah Muhammad because his beliefs coincided. You saying "that wasn't the real Malcolm" is bullshyt. That was the real Malcolm, he simply changed his mind. He was conservative for the overwhelming majority of his time as a public black leader. Now if you want to say that he changed his mind on being a conservative a year or so before he died then that's accurate. It's not accurate to deny that Malcolm x was a conservative tho.

I am not saying that wasn't the real Malcolm X...Malcolm X said that wasn't the real Malcolm X....

I mean...the man was brainwashed and admitted to being so...

He didn't even know White people were Muslims until he went to Mecca...

Elijah Muhammad had taught us that the white man could not enter into Makkah in Arabia, and all of us who followed him, we believed it. And he said the reason he couldn't enter was because he's white and inherently evil, it's impossible to change him. And the only thing that would change him is Islam, and he can't accept Islam because by nature he's evil. And therefore by not being able to accept Islam and become a Muslim, he could never enter Makkah. This is how he taught us, you know.
-Malcolm X

 

[jackson35]

Reactionary - Wikipedia
A reactionary is a person who holds political views that favor a return to the status quo ante, the previous political state of society, which they believe possessed characteristics (discipline, respect for authority, etc.) that are negatively absent from the contemporary status quo of a society. As an adjective, the word reactionary describes points of view and policies meant to restore the status quo ante.[1]

NOI believed in racial segregation and was against integration....they were reactionary nationalist..

the word integration did not come from black freedom movement, that came from the white man who wanted to pigeonhole our activities. the black community was more interested in freedom, they could care less about white folks. we dont put laws book and tell white people what they can and can't do. the noi was about integrating black people of all backgrounds. they were against being the property of the white man. let get that straight

 

[jackson35]

I am not saying that wasn't the real Malcolm X...Malcolm X said that wasn't the real Malcolm X....

I mean...the man was brainwashed and admitted to being so...

He didn't even know White people were Muslims until he went to Mecca...

Elijah Muhammad had taught us that the white man could not enter into Makkah in Arabia, and all of us who followed him, we believed it. And he said the reason he couldn't enter was because he's white and inherently evil, it's impossible to change him. And the only thing that would change him is Islam, and he can't accept Islam because by nature he's evil. And therefore by not being able to accept Islam and become a Muslim, he could never enter Makkah. This is how he taught us, you know.
-Malcolm X

white could be muslims by faith, not by nature

 

[Cynic]

Capitalism is the reason for slavery in the 1st place and we were here way before Asians...so why they got more money and wealth than us?

So what ? Capitalism is the reason we had flourishing communities in Tulsa and our own negro league

As a collective they don't have more money and wealth ...but you can't ignore the cultural differences

How come the White family networth is 10 times more than the Black networth...

Redlining, shady housing practices, shytty school policies,prison industrial complex ...take your pick

How come in about 30 years Black people in the USA will have a 0 networth..

Read above...

The idea of competition is even the antithesis to capitalism...and the profit motive of businesses and entrepreneurs and even entire countries...and groups of people...

Competition drives innovation and lowers prices...

Somebody is gonna be at the bottom so everybody else can eat...

You'd rather we all be at the bottom huh ?

The idea that Black people will be competitive in the USA is a crazy idea...

So was freedom from slavery... that didn't stop us though.

The average White man wasn't shyt until the 50s...after the New Deal and various social programs that gave Whites land and homes...

So what ? We didn't get sh!t but that shouldn't stop anyone from grinding regardless

The history of USA and capitalism isn't one of prosperity...it's one of a few rich people and a bunch of poor people and slaves...and it's like that right now...

Compared to what ? Maos China ?

 

[DEAD7]

Capitalism is the reason for slavery in the 1st place and we were here way before Asians...so why they got more money and wealth than us?

How come the White family networth is 10 times more than the Black networth....

How come in about 30 years Black people in the USA will have a 0 networth..

The idea of competition is even the antithesis to capitalism...and the profit motive of businesses and entrepreneurs and even entire countries...and groups of people...

Somebody is gonna be at the bottom so everybody else can eat...

The idea that Black people will be competitive in the USA is a crazy idea...

The average White man wasn't shyt until the 50s...after the New Deal and various social programs that gave Whites land and homes...

The history of USA and capitalism isn't one of prosperity...it's one of a few rich people and a bunch of poor people and slaves...and it's like that right now...

 

[Losttribe]

No...

See this is the issue with Malcolm X

Malcolm X with the NOI was speaking the opinions and policies of the NOI...he wasn't talking about what he believed.

Malcolm X with the NOI was a puppet...he even tells you that he was speaking what the NOI believed not what he himself thought....

One of the major reasons why Malcolm X broke away with the NOI was because the NOI wasn't doing anything. Like they had this weird non-intervention policy...all they really did is take money from Black folks and critique what folks like MLK, Bayer Rustin and James Baldwin was doing. The NOI was basically waiting around for the USA Gov't to give them their own country.

Malcolm X was still figuring things out on his own before he died and he was open to socialism and critical of capitalism...

In the end...he was a revolutionary instead a conservative reactionary and you can't be a revolutionary and adhere to capitalism...

You're factually incorrect on 100% of what you stated and all these fools daped it.


1)the noi wasn't reactionary.... They had a program and they weren't about activism n all that shyt... They were about separation.
2] malcolm wasnt just a puppet... He studied, agreed and taught the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and wasn't forced. He went harder than anyone because be believed harder than anyone. And even after he left he wrote letters to the NOI saying he still believed in the program (THAT MADE HIM) and asked to be allowed back in. He didn't leave the noi, he was SUSPENDED due to violations..... Got emotional and went on a Rant to the White Media and to White people.





Most importantly, people try to Make Malcolm into something he wasn't. 100% of what he know and love of Malcolm was NOI Min. Malcolm. Period. The Mr Shabazz (he kept the noi name to show loyalty)...that existed for a yr didnt do shyt and could barely fill a ballroom with people...... Malcolm X was packing out colleges.... Because he had that fire and had the Teachings. When he left he attempted to water shyt down to appeal to weak ass afrocentrics and Fake revolutionaries.... Be he stayed a separatist Muslim at his core.

 

[motion order]

The very premise of this thread is stupid.

If a whiteman speaks or acts truthfully, or says or does something that you agree with, its not an indictment on your Blackness when you bear witness to that whiteman's words or actions on that particular issue.

You must really not be familiar with Malcolm X...

“It is a time for martyrs now, and if I am to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood. That’s the only thing that can save this country.” — February 19, 1965 (2 days before he was murdered by Nation of Islam followers)

Malcolm's hyper-militant rhetoric post-Nation of Islam would have lead to a wholesale slaughter of Black people.

I edited out the other quotes from this post, no need for all that scrolling up and down, but much of those quotes still fall right in line with what Elijah Muhammad taught. But it's obvious you don't know much about the Nation of Islam.

"The Nation of Islam is the best organization for Black people in America, but they must adopt Sunni Islam"
(not verbatim, but Malcolm says this in the documentary: The Trials of Muhammad Ali, approximately 28 minutes in)
Reconcile that Malcolm quote with your outright dismissal, and thinly veiled mockery of the Nation of Islam.

Malcolmites that sh-t on Elijah Muhammad are the real puppets. The whiteman has cleverly cultivated an affinity for Malcolm with the caveat of demonizing Elijah and the Nation of Islam. And n-ggas negros and colored folks do what they always do, feast like pigs at the trough on the garbage their enemy feeds them.

 

[jackson35]

The very premise of this thread is stupid.

If a whiteman speaks or acts truthfully, or says or does something that you agree with, its not an indictment on your Blackness when you bear witness to that whiteman's words or actions on that particular issue.

Malcolm's hyper-militant rhetoric post-Nation of Islam would have lead to a wholesale slaughter of Black people.

I edited out the other quotes from this post, no need for all that scrolling up and down, but much of those quotes still fall right in line with what Elijah Muhammad taught. But it's obvious you don't know much about the Nation of Islam.

"The Nation of Islam is the best organization for Black people in America, but they must adopt Sunni Islam"
(not verbatim, but Malcolm says this in the documentary: The Trials of Muhammad Ali, approximately 28 minutes in)
Reconcile that Malcolm quote with your outright dismissal, and thinly veiled mockery of the Nation of Islam.

Malcolmites that sh-t on Elijah Muhammad are the real puppets. The whiteman has cleverly cultivated an affinity for Malcolm with the caveat of demonizing Elijah and the Nation of Islam. And n-ggas negros and colored folks do what they always do, feast like pigs at the trough on the garbage their enemy feeds them.

how so? when the fruit of islam came face to face with the police, the mafia,kkk, they leave lumps, they kick ass. back then, they use to lock up a lot of muslims in jail, but due to their pro black stance, they get hard core probation.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

And n-ggas negros and colored folks do what they always do, feast like pigs at the trough on the garbage their enemy feeds them.

Now this is truth at its finest right here....

 

[Diondon]

If you can't see that capitalism is the greatest vehicle for innovation and wealth creation as well as most beneficial for the masses due to market competition I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[MJ Truth]

No...

See this is the issue with Malcolm X

Malcolm X with the NOI was speaking the opinions and policies of the NOI...he wasn't talking about what he believed.

Malcolm X with the NOI was a puppet...he even tells you that he was speaking what the NOI believed not what he himself thought....

One of the major reasons why Malcolm X broke away with the NOI was because the NOI wasn't doing anything. Like they had this weird non-intervention policy...all they really did is take money from Black folks and critique what folks like MLK, Bayer Rustin and James Baldwin was doing. The NOI was basically waiting around for the USA Gov't to give them their own country.

Malcolm X was still figuring things out on his own before he died and he was open to socialism and critical of capitalism...

In the end...he was a revolutionary instead a conservative reactionary and you can't be a revolutionary and adhere to capitalism...

 

[motion order]

how so? when the fruit of islam came face to face with the police, the mafia,kkk, they leave lumps, they kick ass. back then, they use to lock up a lot of muslims in jail, but due to their pro black stance, they get hard core probation.

(I'm assuming you're referring to my hyper-militant statement)

The Nation of Islam members are forbidden from carrying weapons of any kind. Whether or not one violates those orders does not change the fact that that is what Elijah Muhammad instructed. The main reason for that is because Elijah knew that black people would be quick to turn those weapons on one another. The dozens of Black organizations that started off with good, or at worst, innocuous intentions, but rather quickly degenerated into straight up street gangs, bears witness to Elijah's foresight. Malcolm started advocating and pushing for Black people to arm themselves, but a weapon in the hands of a Blackman that still functions with the mind shaped and fashioned by his enemy oppressor will result in self-destruction, not self-determination. The fundamental difference between the Nation of Islam every other Black organization is that their focus is on changing the minds of Black people, because they know there is no changing the whiteman from being our natural enemy. The Blackman should not be in a rush to "open fire" before he has first opened his mind to the truth of himself and his enemy.

 

[jackson35]

(I'm assuming you're referring to my hyper-militant statement)

The Nation of Islam members are forbidden from carrying weapons of any kind. Whether or not one violates those orders does not change the fact that that is what Elijah Muhammad instructed. The main reason for that is because Elijah knew that black people would be quick to turn those weapons on one another. The dozens of Black organizations that started off with good, or at worst, innocuous intentions, but rather quickly degenerated into straight up street gangs, bears witness to Elijah's foresight. Malcolm started advocating and pushing for Black people to arm themselves, but a weapon in the hands of a Blackman that still functions with the mind shaped and fashioned by his enemy oppressor will result in self-destruction, not self-determination. The fundamental difference between the Nation of Islam every other Black organization is that their focus is on changing the minds of Black people, because they know there is no changing the whiteman from being our natural enemy. The Blackman should not be in a rush to "open fire" before he has first opened his mind to the truth of himself and his enemy.

the weapon i'm talking about is hand to hand combant. the white man took a lot of beating on these streets from the foi

 

[™BlackPearl The Empress™]

Only on the first page but these replies are fire

 

[DEAD7]

If you can't see that capitalism is the greatest vehicle for innovation and wealth creation as well as most beneficial for the masses due to market competition I don't know what to tell ya.

#facts