"Folks want to be Malcolm X while having the economic policies of Ronald Reagan"

[AlainLocke]

I disagree with all of this bullshyt that you're saying but my point was that people love Malcolm for what he said/did under Elijah Muhammad with the nation. Your opinion of the evolution that Malcolm was making after he fell out with the nation and made his trip to Mecca is your opinion. It's not really relevant.

Malcolm is revered as a hero of the black community because of how he lived and embodied the teaching of Elijah Muhammad. As a student and spokesperson for Elijah Muhammad Malcolm was a conservative fiscally and socially. I quoted you because you're being disingenuous to push your own personal agenda.

It is relevant...


I am talking about the man's purpose on that he set for himself on this earth...

You nikkas care about how he made you feel...I don't give a fukk about nikkas feelings and how the fukk Malcolm X made you feel or whoever feel...


Most of yall nikkas in this thread don't even know what he actually said....and believed...


If nikkas wanna ignore Malcolm X own thoughts than that's on yall...if his thoughts are to "We Are the World" for you...because he ain't calling White people devils...then that's on yall...

A lot of yall nikkas like Puppet Malcolm X...and got it all wrong




I am pushing the agenda of what Malcolm X thought and believed and his own damn words...

Malcolm X believed in a worldwide revolution to free us from racism and thought capitalism enabled racism and racism enabled capitalism...the NOI didn't care for a revolution and thought favorably of capitalism...

nikkas need to stop trying to link Malcolm X to NOI because what he believed and stood for is different....

 

[jackson35]

You must really not be familiar with Malcolm X...

“I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.” — Malcolm X

“The common goal of 22 million Afro-Americans is respect as human beings, the God-given right to be a human being. Our common goal is to obtain the human rights that America has been denying us. We can never get civil rights in America until our human rights are first restored. We will never be recognized as citizens there until we are first recognized as humans.” — Malcolm X

“It is a time for martyrs now, and if I am to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood. That’s the only thing that can save this country.” — February 19, 1965 (2 days before he was murdered by Nation of Islam followers) — Malcolm X

“I feel like a man who has been asleep somewhat and under someone else’s control. I feel that what I’m thinking and saying is now for myself. Before it was for and by the guidance of Elijah Muhammad. Now I think with my own mind, sir!” — Malcolm X


“When we see that our problem is so complicated and so all-encompassing in its intent and content, then we realize that it is no longer a Negro problem, confined only to the American Negro; that it is no longer an American problem, confined only to America, but it is a problem for humanity.” — Malcolm X

"I am not a racist.... In the past I permitted myself to be used...to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as a result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy city of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true...Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenants of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people." — Malcolm X

"I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color."— Malcolm X


Malcolm X on Elijah Muhammad putting him out the NOI

these are quotes from speeches that he made. off stage he played a opposite role. i'd ask you which black liberal malcom worked with after leaving the noi? are you familiar with Malcolm??????/

 

[AlainLocke]

these are quotes from speeches that he made. off stage he played a opposite role. i'd ask you which black liberal malcom worked with after leaving the noi? are you familiar with Malcolm??????/

Malcolm X was assassinated before he got a chance to work with the Black liberals...

And you can't dismiss Malcolm X own words he made on stage when he lived a public life and most of his thoughts and beliefs are in speeches...

Public speaking and interviewing was his life....

 

[jackson35]

Malcolm X was assassinated before he got a chance to work with the Black liberals...

And you can't dismiss Malcolm X own words he made on stage when he lived a public life and most of his thoughts and beliefs are in speeches...

Public speaking and interviewing was his life....

fine. but my point to you is that Malcolm was still a hard core lack nationalist after he left noi

 

[AlainLocke]

fine. but my point to you is that Malcolm was still a hard core lack nationalist after he left noi

Malcolm X was a revolutionary Black Nationalist...yeah...he wasn't a reactionary Black nationalist like the NOI...

And he no longer advocated for segregation but for human rights and a international revolution...

"The white man knows what a revolution is. He knows that the Black Revolution is worldwide in scope and in nature. The Black Revolution is sweeping Asia, is sweeping Africa, is rearing its head in Latin America. The Cuban Revolution - that's a revolution. They overturned the system. Revolution is in Asia, revolution is in Africa, and the white man is screaming because he sees revolution in Latin America. How do you think he'll react to you when you learn what a real revolution is?"
-Malcolm X

"It is incorrect to classify the revolt of the Negro as simply a radical conflict of black against white or as a purely American problem. Rather, we are today seeing a global rebellion of the oppressed against the oppressor, the exploited against the exploiter."
-Malcolm X

 

[Gravity]

If nikkas actually admire Malcolm X and wish to emulate Malcolm X...you see someone that was interested pursuing results for the wrongs he saw in the world and someone that wasted a lot of time being deluded in a cult and an echo chamber and was on the way to greatness because he was willing to change his mind...Only for his path to greatness to be cut short by delusional motherfukkers.

This is what you need to understand, people only admired Malcolm because of what he did and stood for.............under the guidance of Elijah Muhammad. That's the person that people look up to and want to emulate. Why I'm saying is, people who revere for what he stood for as a member of the nation don't have to agree the evolution that he seemed to be making after he left the nation.

You're inserting your own brand of bullshyt into this discussion. It's your opinion that Malcolm was wrong being deluded by a cult and began to see the light after he left the nation. I certainly don't agree with that. You say that Malcolm was deluded while with the nation and I say that he was deluded after he left. He came back from Mecca talking that "we're all brothers under allah" stuff and we all know that's bullshyt. We all know that race trumps everything in this world.

It is relevant...


I am talking about the man's purpose on that he set for himself on this earth...

You nikkas care about how he made you feel...I don't give a fukk about nikkas feelings and how the fukk Malcolm X made you feel or whoever feel...


Most of yall nikkas in this thread don't even know what he actually said....and believed...


If nikkas wanna ignore Malcolm X own thoughts than that's on yall...if his thoughts are to "We Are the World" for you...because he ain't calling White people devils...then that's on yall...

A lot of yall nikkas like Puppet Malcolm X...and got it all wrong




I am pushing the agenda of what Malcolm X thought and believed and his own damn words...

Malcolm X believed in a worldwide revolution to free us from racism and thought capitalism enabled racism and racism enabled capitalism...the NOI didn't care for a revolution and thought favorably of capitalism...

nikkas need to stop trying to link Malcolm X to NOI because what he believed and stood for is different....

You're talking about his words from a time period of less than 2 years. Malcolm left the nation in 64 and was murdered in 65. I'm not ignoring or denying how he felt in the year between him leading the nation and being killed, in saying that his legacy isn't established on the words/thoughts of that time period. He may have felt like he wasted his time with the nation during the year after leaving but that's clearly not how the black communality felt back then or how it feels now.

Again, the point is that you're full of shyt. You tried to deny that Malcolm was a conservative when he was clearly conservative for all of his life as a public figure.......except the year or so before he was killed.

 

[Poitier]

Usa was a socialist country

what?

 

[Poitier]

The economic system does not matter if you aren't starting from a level playing field


Socialism systems failed because there are not enough participating nations globally to trade with

That said. A switch to socialism does not mean a redistribution of the wealth like a lot of naive people seem to believe.

 

[AlainLocke]

This is what you need to understand, people only admired Malcolm because of what he did and stood for.............under the guidance of Elijah Muhammad. That's the person that people look up to and want to emulate. Why I'm saying is, people who revere for what he stood for as a member of the nation don't have to agree the evolution that he seemed to be making after he left the nation.

You're inserting your own brand of bullshyt into this discussion. It's your opinion that Malcolm was wrong being deluded by a cult and began to see the light after he left the nation. I certainly don't agree with that. You say that Malcolm was deluded while with the nation and I say that he was deluded after he left. He came back from Mecca talking that "we're all brothers under allah" stuff and we all know that's bullshyt. We all know that race trumps everything in this world.

You're talking about his words from a time period of less than 2 years. Malcolm left the nation in 64 and was murdered in 65. I'm not ignoring or denying how he felt in the year between him leading the nation and being killed, in saying that his legacy isn't established on the words/thoughts of that time period. He may have felt like he wasted his time with the nation during the year after leaving but that's clearly not how the black communality felt back then or how it feels now.

Again, the point is that you're full of shyt. You tried to deny that Malcolm was a conservative when he was clearly conservative for all of his life as a public figure.......except the year or so before he was killed.

Breh...

You are arguing with Malcolm X own words and the political compass...


Like you not arguing with me......

I am taking what Malcolm X literally said to thousands of people....

And you really wanna argue with dead man because you have this image of Malcolm X as a conservative reactionary nationalist...

You really just like the NOI...and what they stand for and not what Malcolm X actually believed and stood for...and that's okay...let it go...Malcolm X is closer to Huey . Newton than Booker T. Washington and it's okay...

And once again...

I don't give a fukk about how nikkas feel...feelings lead to folly like what you are committing now because you really want Malcolm X to be a conservative Black nationalist....and that's just not true...

I am like Spock...feelings to me are just shyt to manipulate to get what I want...other than that...I don't care about feelings...


People wanna emulate a less politically aware and ignorant Malcolm X...something that he admits...that's fine..I guess...

 

[Majestic]

what?

 

[Gravity]

Breh...

You are arguing with Malcolm X own words and the political compass...


Like you not arguing with me......

I am taking what Malcolm X literally said to thousands of people....

And you really wanna argue with dead man because you have this image of Malcolm X as a conservative reactionary nationalist...

You really just like the NOI...and what they stand for and not what Malcolm X actually believed and stood for...and that's okay...let it go...Malcolm X is closer to Huey . Newton than Booker T. Washington and it's okay...

And once again...

I don't give a fukk about how nikkas feel...feelings lead to folly like what you are committing now because you really want Malcolm X to be a conservative Black nationalist....and that's just not true...


People wanna emulate a lesser evolved and ignorant Malcolm X...something that he admits...that's fine..I guess...

I'm not arguing with anyone. I'm saying something that obviously flies over your head. I don't deny that Malcolm evolved. I'm saying that people don't revere the version of Malcolm that you think evolved for the better. They revere the version of Malcolm that followed Elijah Muhammad. What part of that don't you understand?

 

[Poitier]

Welfare programs does not make a society socialist.

 

[AlainLocke]

The economic system does not matter if you aren't starting from a level playing field


Socialism systems failed because there are not enough participating nations globally to trade with

That said. A switch to socialism does not mean a redistribution of the wealth like a lot of naive people seem to believe.

Which is why true socialism/communism requires a revolution....

 

[Majestic]

The United States was never a socialist country. Ever.

Even if The New Deal and many policies after 1929 sought to even the playing field.
It doesn't take much reading of what went on with Emma Goldman and others to understand just how much American power interests resisted leftist ideas

 

[Majestic]

Welfare programs does not make a society socialist.

Giving people property outright isn't welfare. I strongly advise you to watch the whole video.