"Folks want to be Malcolm X while having the economic policies of Ronald Reagan"

[AlainLocke]

True I would like us to catch up to the other western nations and step our health care and education up bUT we do use some socialist polices despite what some people think.

We do...in the military.

Cost of living adjustments, good government housing, "free" healthcare, "free" college education...military does socialism very good...only gotta risk your life...

shyt which is why I might join...

And we also have shyt like medicare on the outside, WIC and government housing etc...

We have some stuff but I think states rights fukk everything up for a major national program.

The USA is weird...it's like we are the bare minimum welfare programs for society to function...in the 1st World....other 1st world countries look at us like savages...on some

 

[hayesc0]

We do...in the military.

Cost of living adjustments, good government housing, "free" healthcare, "free" college education...military does socialism very good...only gotta risk your life...

shyt which is why I might join...

And we also have shyt like medicare on the outside, WIC and government housing etc...

We have some stuff but I think states rights fukk everything up for a major national program.

The USA is weird...it's like we are the bare minimum welfare programs for society to function...in the 1st World....other 1st world countries look at us like savages...on some

Lol no doubt I thought about military when I was younger although you risk your life I wish I did it. I'm 31 now would have been less than 10 years from retirement smh.

 

[Cynic]

capitalism >>>>>>>

 

[Uncle Hotep]

capitalism >>>>>>>

I tend to agree...We can compete with anyone even under a capitalist system. its time to put these dreams of socialism straight to bed.

 

[MajorVitaman]

As if socialism is gonna work read and get influenced by karl marx brehs.

Didn't usa have that head right socialism program but when blacks were freed that shyt stopped. Usa was a socialist country but all that changed as soon as blacks pushed to get rights and benefits from the system. Government hit back 'you ******s are free now, go work for your shyt, why you asking for handouts, us whites didn't get handout'.

Doesn't matter what economic system there is as long as whites are in power blacks will not benefit from it.

nikkas think we gone socialize white folks resources

 

[Remote]

The issue is not fiscal conservatism, per se.

The issue is that those who are fiscal conservatives are guided by white supremacist ideology where the only cuts they support at the ones that hurt people of color.

 

[Remote]

As if socialism is gonna work read and get influenced by karl marx brehs.

Didn't usa have that head right socialism program but when blacks were freed that shyt stopped. Usa was a socialist country but all that changed as soon as blacks pushed to get rights and benefits from the system. Government hit back 'you ******s are free now, go work for your shyt, why you asking for handouts, us whites didn't get handout'.

Doesn't matter what economic system there is as long as whites are in power blacks will not benefit from it.

The United States was never a socialist country. Ever.

Even if The New Deal and many policies after 1929 sought to even the playing field.
It doesn't take much reading of what went on with Emma Goldman and others to understand just how much American power interests resisted leftist ideas

 

[jackson35]

No he did not agree with the NOI in the end...

Malcolm X in the end...wanted to work with the Black liberals...
Malcolm X in the end...was willing to work with White people...
Malcolm X in the end....was willing to wage a revolution
Malcolm X in the end...became a real Muslim...
Malcolm X in the end...was open to socialism
Malcolm X in the end...did not believe in a Black state in the USA


Malcolm X in the end was against the NOI in every way because he realized their way was wrong...

The whole point is...

He felt indebted to the NOI and was totally consumed by it...he no thoughts of his own....when you listen to Malcolm X speeches when he was with NOI...you are not listening to the thoughts and opinions of Malcolm X...you are listening to the thoughts and opinions of the NOI.

When he traveled the world and saw other people and met real muslims and all these revolutionaries...he realized the NOI was wrong about a lot of shyt and he was ignorant about a lot of shyt.

name a black liberal he worked with? name a white devil he worked with? when did malcolm say he supported socialism???? when did malcolm say he did not support a black state when he was going to step to the un on that very issue

 

[Henri Christophe]

Capitalism

 

[AlainLocke]

I tend to agree...We can compete with anyone even under a capitalist system. its time to put these dreams of socialism straight to bed.

Capitalism is the reason for slavery in the 1st place and we were here way before Asians...so why they got more money and wealth than us?

How come the White family networth is 10 times more than the Black networth....

How come in about 30 years Black people in the USA will have a 0 networth..

The idea of competition is even the antithesis to capitalism...and the profit motive of businesses and entrepreneurs and even entire countries...and groups of people...

Somebody is gonna be at the bottom so everybody else can eat...

The idea that Black people will be competitive in the USA is a crazy idea...

The average White man wasn't shyt until the 50s...after the New Deal and various social programs that gave Whites land and homes...

The history of USA and capitalism isn't one of prosperity...it's one of a few rich people and a bunch of poor people and slaves...and it's like that right now...

 

[AlainLocke]

name a black liberal he worked with? name a white devil he worked with? when did malcolm say he supported socialism???? when did malcolm say he did not support a black state when he was going to step to the un on that very issue

You must really not be familiar with Malcolm X...

“I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.” — Malcolm X

“The common goal of 22 million Afro-Americans is respect as human beings, the God-given right to be a human being. Our common goal is to obtain the human rights that America has been denying us. We can never get civil rights in America until our human rights are first restored. We will never be recognized as citizens there until we are first recognized as humans.” — Malcolm X

“It is a time for martyrs now, and if I am to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood. That’s the only thing that can save this country.” — February 19, 1965 (2 days before he was murdered by Nation of Islam followers) — Malcolm X

“I feel like a man who has been asleep somewhat and under someone else’s control. I feel that what I’m thinking and saying is now for myself. Before it was for and by the guidance of Elijah Muhammad. Now I think with my own mind, sir!” — Malcolm X


“When we see that our problem is so complicated and so all-encompassing in its intent and content, then we realize that it is no longer a Negro problem, confined only to the American Negro; that it is no longer an American problem, confined only to America, but it is a problem for humanity.” — Malcolm X

"I am not a racist.... In the past I permitted myself to be used...to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as a result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy city of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true...Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenants of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people." — Malcolm X

"I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color."— Malcolm X


Malcolm X on Elijah Muhammad putting him out the NOI

 

[Gravity]

No...

See this is the issue with Malcolm X

Malcolm X with the NOI was speaking the opinions and policies of the NOI...he wasn't talking about what he believed.

Malcolm X with the NOI was a puppet...he even tells you that he was speaking what the NOI believed not what he himself thought....

One of the major reasons why Malcolm X broke away with the NOI was because the NOI wasn't doing anything. Like they had this weird non-intervention policy...all they really did is take money from Black folks and critique what folks like MLK, Bayer Rustin and James Baldwin was doing. The NOI was basically waiting around for the USA Gov't to give them their own country.

Malcolm X was still figuring things out on his own before he died and he was open to socialism and critical of capitalism...

In the end...he was a revolutionary instead a conservative reactionary and you can't be a revolutionary and adhere to capitalism...

You must really not be familiar with Malcolm X...

“I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color.” — Malcolm X

“The common goal of 22 million Afro-Americans is respect as human beings, the God-given right to be a human being. Our common goal is to obtain the human rights that America has been denying us. We can never get civil rights in America until our human rights are first restored. We will never be recognized as citizens there until we are first recognized as humans.” — Malcolm X

“It is a time for martyrs now, and if I am to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood. That’s the only thing that can save this country.” — February 19, 1965 (2 days before he was murdered by Nation of Islam followers) — Malcolm X

“I feel like a man who has been asleep somewhat and under someone else’s control. I feel that what I’m thinking and saying is now for myself. Before it was for and by the guidance of Elijah Muhammad. Now I think with my own mind, sir!” — Malcolm X


“When we see that our problem is so complicated and so all-encompassing in its intent and content, then we realize that it is no longer a Negro problem, confined only to the American Negro; that it is no longer an American problem, confined only to America, but it is a problem for humanity.” — Malcolm X


"I am not a racist.... In the past I permitted myself to be used...to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as a result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy city of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true...Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenants of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people." — Malcolm X

"I am not a racist. I am against every form of racism and segregation, every form of discrimination. I believe in human beings, and that all human beings should be respected as such, regardless of their color."— Malcolm X

You can say that Malcolm was a puppet for Elijah Muhammad and all that, but that's the Malcolm that black people fell in love with and are still in love with now. Black people don't love and look up to that "we are the world" version of Malcolm that came back from Mecca. That's not the Malcolm that we know and remember.

 

[AlainLocke]

You can say that Malcolm was a puppet for Elijah Muhammad and all that, but that's the Malcolm that black people fell in love with and are still in love with now. Black people don't love and look up to that "we are the world" version of Malcolm that came back from Mecca. That's not the Malcolm that we know and remember.

Yeah but that's the folly of Black people falling under the same folly that Malcolm X fell under...and wasted most of his political life talking bullshyt and not doing anything...

Liking shyt that sounds good, that's why we got so many race hustlers now...like the Umars and the Polights and the Sa Neuters....

Malcolm X was constantly evolving and striving to gain a better understanding of the world...he wasn't interested in shyt talking White people and making Black people feel good about being Black...

He was trying to solve the problem of racism...he was trying to be a moral man in an immoral world and trying to find his place in the world...

Malcolm X inspired the Black Panthers with his constant evolving worldview...and they did the work that he started before his assassination.


So many nikkas still stuck in the stage of talking shyt about White people and feeling good about Black that they never understanding the world around them and finding people that are actually about revolution...

If nikkas actually admire Malcolm X and wish to emulate Malcolm X...you see someone that was interested pursuing results for the wrongs he saw in the world and someone that wasted a lot of time being deluded in a cult and an echo chamber and was on the way to greatness because he was willing to change his mind...

Only for his path to greatness to be cut short by delusional motherfukkers.

 

[Gravity]

Yeah but that's the folly of Black people falling under the same folly that Malcolm X fell under...and wasted most of his political life talking bullshyt and not doing anything...

Liking shyt that sounds good, that's why we got so many race hustlers now...like the Umars and the Polights and the Sa Neuters....

Malcolm X was constantly evolving and striving to gain a better understanding of the world...he wasn't interested in shyt talking White people and making Black people feel good about being Black...

He was trying to solve the problem of racism...he was trying to be a moral man in an immoral world and trying to find his place in the world...

Malcolm X inspired the Black Panthers with his constant evolving worldview...and they did the work that he started before his assassinated.


So many nikkas still stuck in the stage of talking shyt about White people and feeling good about Black that they never understanding the world around them and finding people that are actually about revolution...

I disagree with all of this bullshyt that you're saying but my point was that people love Malcolm for what he said/did under Elijah Muhammad with the nation. Your opinion of the evolution that Malcolm was making after he fell out with the nation and made his trip to Mecca is your opinion. It's not really relevant.

Malcolm is revered as a hero of the black community because of how he lived and embodied the teaching of Elijah Muhammad. As a student and spokesperson for Elijah Muhammad Malcolm was a conservative fiscally and socially. I quoted you because you're being disingenuous to push your own personal agenda.

 

[Ya' Cousin Cleon]

Capitalism

has killed millions if not billions