Floyd Mayweather Jr-Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread

[Black_Jesus]

What JMM said was valid back in 2009...

The problem now is nobody is going to give Floyd credit for whooping this dude in 2015...They're going to say Floyd purposely waited for Pacquiao to get old and slow...Skip and ESPN already started with that bullshyt last year...so how can a win over Pacquiao help Floyd's legacy if the haters and media won't accept it?

Pac isn't old and slow yet though.. If anything Pac wont get the credit if he whoops Floyd since Floyd is two years older.. Either way, its a very lame and bytchmade excuse for Floyd choosing to not fight Pacquiao

 

[Jello Biafra]

This is 100% truth.

Funny thing is, alot of people try and say "Manny needs Floyd....Floyd doesnt need Manny", but that's not true. Financially, no, Floyd doesnt need Manny, but Manny doesnt need him. No, Manny can NOT make the same type of money he would make fighting Floyd, and it's vice versa. Floyd is NOT seeing a 100 million check unless he fights Manny. He will still get his 30-40 million each fight, but Manny aint getting chump change himself. He's making 20 million everytime he fights which is more than any boxer walking this earth accept Floyd.

The main difference is that Manny's legacy doesnt need Floyd, because he's already faced and defeated 7 HOFers (possibly 8 if Bradley continues winning), and is a 7x Champion over 6 different divisions. He also doesnt have the stigma attached to him that he's "avoiding" Floyd because all he does is call out Floyd for years. Floyd, on the otherhand, NEEDS Manny because legacy wise he will take a HUGE hit if he doesnt face the #2 fighter at 147 since 2008 (7 years next year they've been at the same weight and havent fought).

Floyd doesnt have the same amount of HOF scalps or titles on his resume as Manny does, and if the fight never materializes (for whatever reasons) FLOYD will take the much larger hit, because he's known for basically always dismissing the consensus #2 147lber for 7 years and ducking him.

That's just the facts. No stanning, no biasness, I dont care about Pacquiao or Floyd, so Im calling it how I see it

 

[Jello Biafra]

putting bradley in the hof simply cheapens it

its like the nba not having their own hof and allowing women in

 

[Newzz]

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Well, it's not too far off either


Pacquiao and Floyd have been in the same division since they were 29 years old and 31 years old. If they fight in May of 2015, Pacquiao will be 36 and Floyd 38 years old. That's a LONG ass time to not face the #2 147 lber, especially when the #2 fighter has been calling you out every month the entire time.

The ONLY way for Floyd to get any saving grace out of it is to beat the STILL consensus 2nd best 147lber, even if it's 7 years later...Manny is still the 2nd best out there, and take the small hit for making the fight 7 years too late rather than NOT taking the fight at all and having that being the biggest blemish on his record.

His legacy would be framed around him not fighting Pacquiao just as much as it would be for his boxing talents.

Imagine Muhammad Ali retiring without ever fighting George Foreman

The bold is absolute bullshyt...

All Pacquiao used to say when asked about Floyd back then was talk to Bob...Only recently these last two years has he been personally calling Floyd out...in fact Floyd was the one calling Pacquiao out back then...Floyd was all over the place calling this dude out on social media before he did his bid...what did pacquiao say? Talk to Bob...and what did Bob? An 8 month old cut didn't heal yet and we need to build a stadium he still hasn't even drawn up blueprints for...

 

[GzUp]

The bold is absolute bullshyt...

All Pacquiao used to say when asked about Floyd back then was talk to Bob...Only recently these last two years has he been personally calling Floyd out...in fact Floyd was the one calling Pacquiao out back then...Floyd was all over the place calling this dude out on social media before he did his bid...what did pacquiao say? Talk to Bob...and what did Bob? An 8 month old cut didn't heal yet and we need to build a stadium he still hasn't even drawn up blueprints for...

floyd called manny out by saying your next... when asked about it floyd told the reporter that dont put words in my mouth.

 

[krackdagawd]

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Neither fight like Manny though breh. Chop chop fight is one of floyds best performances

I never said they fought like Manny, I just said you could make the same exact video on Floyd and use two southpaws that did in fact hurt him. I don't agree that chop chop is one of his best performances.

 

[The Fukin Prophecy]

Pac isn't old and slow yet though.. If anything Pac wont get the credit if he whoops Floyd since Floyd is two years older.. Either way, its a very lame and bytchmade excuse for Floyd choosing to not fight Pacquiao

Floyd isn't choosing not to make the fight...

Floyd wants the fight, Bob Arum is the one refusing to make the fight unless its on his terms...That's the problem here and that's why Floyd doesn't want his involved...We've been through this many times already...

Nobody will take anything away from Pacquiao beating Floyd...The media and the haters all want to see that happen...nobody talks about Floyd being older than this guy and his legs not being what they once were...all you hear about is Pacquiao can't KO anyone anymore...

 

[mr. smoke weed]

I don't agree that chop chop is one of his best performances.

That's cool breh

 

[Black_Jesus]

Floyd isn't choosing not to make the fight...

Floyd wants the fight, Bob Arum is the one refusing to make the fight unless its on his terms...That's the problem here and that's why Floyd doesn't want his involved...We've been through this many times already...

Nobody will take anything away from Pacquiao beating Floyd...The media and the haters all want to see that happen...nobody talks about Floyd being older than this guy and his legs not being what they once were...all you hear about is Pacquiao can't KO anyone anymore...

oh really??

Tell us when the last time Floyd said he wants to fight Pacquiao..

The Arum being involved excuse isn't holding up anymore

 

[Newzz]

The bold is absolute bullshyt...

All Pacquiao used to say when asked about Floyd back then was talk to Bob...Only recently these last two years has he been personally calling Floyd out...in fact Floyd was the one calling Pacquiao out back then...Floyd was all over the place calling this dude out on social media before he did his bid...what did pacquiao say? Talk to Bob...and what did Bob? An 8 month old cut didn't heal yet and we need to build a stadium he still hasn't even drawn up blueprints for...

I dont have time to rehash old arguments.

The bottomline is that, Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao have been in the same division (and ranked #1 and #2) since they were 31 and 29 years old. IF they fight in May, they will be 38 and 36 years old. This fight has not came to fruition, and if it doesnt, the blame will be on Floyd Mayweather's shoulders and his legacy will take the hit for it....not Manny's.

No way in the world can you call yourself the #TBE and not fight a HOF fighter who's been dominating in the same division as you have for the past 7 years. By all means necessary, this fight should've ALREADY been made (within a 7 year window), and it hasnt.

Dont give me no "Bob Arum" anything. They BOTH are to blame, at different points, for the fight not happening, but Manny's legacy will not take the hit....Floyd's would.

 

[So-Chi]

Multiple knockdowns breh
First time posting about boxing?

Breh... What? So if the judges say Floyd has 7 rounds and Pac has 5 how would multiple knock downs factor? The fact we are even saying multiple knock downs and Floyd is hilarious. Far from my first time I give Black_Jesus that work all the time.

 

[mr. smoke weed]

Breh... What? So if the judges say Floyd has 7 rounds and Pac has 5 how would multiple knock downs factor? The fact we are even saying multiple knock downs and Floyd is hilarious. Far from my first time I give Black_Jesus that work all the time.

Breh, lets say Floyd won 7 out of 12 rounds and Emmanuel won 5. If Floyd was knocked down in rounds 1/12 he'd lose two points from his tabulated score. Rendering the fight a draw. If he was knocked down 3 times, he'd lose 3 total points, thus resulting in a win for manny. Of course Floyd SHOULDN'T get KD 3x in a fight b/c he's never been KD more than a glove swipe, but anything can happen.

 

[So-Chi]

Breh, lets say Floyd won 7 out of 12 rounds and Emmanuel won 5. If Floyd was knocked down in rounds 1/12 he'd lose two points from his tabulated score. Rendering the fight a draw. If he was knocked down 3 times, he'd lose 3 total points, thus resulting in a win for manny. Of course Floyd SHOULDN'T get KD 3x in a fight b/c he's never been KD more than a glove swipe, but anything can happen.

OK breh but it I'm saying final cards... I think that's where we lost track. To be honest, if he got knocked down he never would have been 7-5 because that would have been tabulated before scores read.

 

[Newzz]

OK breh but it I'm saying final cards... I think that's where we lost track. To be honest, if he got knocked down he never would have been 7-5 because that would have been tabulated before scores read.

Perfect example for you breh...check it out:


Manny Pacquiao vs Juan Manuel Marquez I was declared a draw.

Manny Pacquiao dropped JMM 3x in the 1st round won the 1st round on all 3 judges score cards.

The 1st judge scored the fight 10 rounds to 2 in favor of JMM....which came out to a 115-110 score for JMM
The 2nd judge scored the fight 7 rounds to 5 in favor of Pacquiao...which came out to a 115-110 score for Pacquiao
The 3rd judge scored the fight 8 rounds to 4 in favor of JMM.....which came out to a 113-113 Draw

So, over 36 combined total rounds scored (all 3 judges), 25 were given to Marquez while only 11 were given to Pacquiao....but because Pacquiao dropped JMM 3x in the 1st round, it wasstill scored a draw even though ACTUALLY Manny would've had the victory if the 3rd judge gave credit to Pac for the 3 kd like he explained here

The third judge, Burt Clements, had a 113-113 tie. His scoring included a 10-7 opening round because, he admitted later, he did not realize he could give a 10-6 round. If Clements had scored the opening round 10-6, as the other two judges had, Pacquiao would have won by 113-112 on Clements's card and earned a split decision.

"I just screwed up," Clements said. "I feel badly because I dropped the ball, plainly and simply. You can make a lot of arguments that it was a very close fight, but that's immaterial. The fact is, I dropped the ball."