Oh I totally get you breh, I was saying they score the fight first, then deduct for KD. My initial comment was referring to the final tally in which deductions would have been taken and explained on the cards after winner had his hand raised.
Floyd Mayweather Jr-Manny Pacquiao Master Discussion Thread
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The Fukin Prophecy
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Im not questioning what this means for Floyd's legacy...I completely I agree you can't call yourself TBE while not fighting the second best fighter of your generation...At the same time though beating this guy in 2015 does almost nothing for his legacy because the majority of the media and public won't accept it...In other words its a lose situation for Floyd regardless if the fight happens or not...that's all I'm saying here pertaining to JMMs comments...
What im also arguing against in the post you quoted is the idea Pacquiao tried to make this fight form the jump which is absolute bullshyt...we all know why this fight did not take place in 09 and in 12...now were in 2015 and they wont accept 40 million +35% PPV...what more is Floyd supposed to do here? put yourself in Floyd's shoes...you going to split 50/50 with a guy whose 2-2 in his last 4 fights with declining popularity and whose only method of being relevant in 2015 is mentioning your name to appease the media and public with a fight they won't accept any outcome other than YOU losing? How is that smart from a business and legacy perspective?
If Pacquiao really wants the fight there is no reason for him not to accept Showtime's offer just like it made no sense for him to decline in 09 if he was clean...
Of course not. Pacquiao has to keep fighting somebody while Mayweather keeps avoiding him.
But breh, stop playing. Mayweather been the top dog for a while and he's the GOAT superfight goal post mover too. So his excuses went from "cleaning up the sport" to now "I don't fux with Arum". Even if all the stars aligned, Manny signed with Mayweather Promotions and fought for free, Floyd could still be on that same old some "what do I have to gain from beating Pac. He needs ME, not the other way around" type shyt.
I'm really starting to think Floyd don't want it with Pac at all this stage of his career. He's found the comfortable formula of getting $40 million to cruise against Spanish speaking or hispanic named fighters on Cinco de Mayo weekend. More money will be there with a Pacquiao fight, but understandably he's not trying to get his face caved in. At all.
It takes two to make a super fight. 50/50 is fair. Any extra shyt is just Floyd trying to out-stunt Manny and his promoter, which is dumb because this fight needs zero hype. The people just need a date and time.
But if you're talking about smarts, wouldn't it be dumb for Mayweather to help create such a demand for this fight and make zero cents from it? Also, wouldn't it help his brand tremendously by giving Manny that work?
seemorecizzy
Superstar
your rightThis is 100% truth.
Funny thing is, alot of people try and say "Manny needs Floyd....Floyd doesnt need Manny", but that's not true. Financially, no, Floyd doesnt need Manny, but Manny doesnt need him. No, Manny can NOT make the same type of money he would make fighting Floyd, and it's vice versa. Floyd is NOT seeing a 100 million check unless he fights Manny. He will still get his 30-40 million each fight, but Manny aint getting chump change himself. He's making 20 million everytime he fights which is more than any boxer walking this earth accept Floyd.
The main difference is that Manny's legacy doesnt need Floyd, because he's already faced and defeated 7 HOFers (possibly 8 if Bradley continues winning), and is a 7x Champion over 6 different divisions. He also doesnt have the stigma attached to him that he's "avoiding" Floyd because all he does is call out Floyd for years. Floyd, on the otherhand, NEEDS Manny because legacy wise he will take a HUGE hit if he doesnt face the #2 fighter at 147 since 2008 (7 years next year they've been at the same weight and havent fought).
Floyd doesnt have the same amount of HOF scalps or titles on his resume as Manny does, and if the fight never materializes (for whatever reasons) FLOYD will take the much larger hit, because he's known for basically always dismissing the consensus #2 147lber for 7 years and ducking him.
That's just the facts. No stanning, no biasness, I dont care about Pacquiao or Floyd, so Im calling it how I see it
only thing i would dispute is that manny doesn't "need floyd" because of his accomplishments
most people could care less about pacquaio's accomplishments
i think he isn't criticized as much because he comes across as a more likeable person and he has a more exciting boxing style
Plus people reallly hate floyd and manny is the only thing they can latch onto to dispute his greatness
whether they fight or not, floyd will go down as the better fighter
but that pacquaio shyt will follow him around
people dont give a shyt about the facts of the situation
its just much easier and convenient to say hes scared
Breh if thats your opinion more power to you. If you think either said is completely absolved of blame for the fight not happening you're very wrong.Of course not. Pacquiao has to keep fighting somebody while Mayweather keeps avoiding him.
But breh, stop playing. Mayweather been the top dog for a while and he's the GOAT superfight goal post mover too. So his excuses went from "cleaning up the sport" to now "I don't fux with Arum". Even if all the stars aligned, Manny signed with Mayweather Promotions and fought for free, Floyd could still be on that same old some "what do I have to gain from beating Pac. He needs ME, not the other way around" type shyt.
I'm really starting to think Floyd don't want it with Pac at all this stage of his career. He's found the comfortable formula of getting $40 million to cruise against Spanish speaking or hispanic named fighters on Cinco de Mayo weekend. More money will be there with a Pacquiao fight, but understandably he's not trying to get his face caved in. At all.
1000 negs pending and still countingWell, it's not too far off either
Pacquiao and Floyd have been in the same division since they were 29 years old and 31 years old. If they fight in May of 2015, Pacquiao will be 36 and Floyd 38 years old. That's a LONG ass time to not face the #2 147 lber, especially when the #2 fighter has been calling you out every month the entire time.
The ONLY way for Floyd to get any saving grace out of it is to beat the STILL consensus 2nd best 147lber, even if it's 7 years later...Manny is still the 2nd best out there, and take the small hit for making the fight 7 years too late rather than NOT taking the fight at all and having that being the biggest blemish on his record.
His legacy would be framed around him not fighting Pacquiao just as much as it would be for his boxing talents.
Imagine Muhammad Ali retiring without ever fighting George Foreman
At this point there is no way Floyd doesn't fight manny.
Everyone in the world is going in on Floyd.. shyt was on first take... But really, I just don't see Floyd taking the fight.. He is being pushed into a corner.
Everyone in the world is going in on Floyd.. shyt was on first take... But really, I just don't see Floyd taking the fight.. He is being pushed into a corner.
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
Floyd is bigger than manny and he doesnt have to pretend manny is equal. He's the bigger draw and the better proven fighter. Manny been ko'd 3 times,Floyd never lost. Manny just did about 300k on PPV this nikka dont deserve 50/50 AT ALL
You basically parroted everything Mayweather says. Now what about your own thoughts?
bigbadbossup2012
Biggest baddest boss
The truth is worthy of being echoed. In what form shape or fashion are they equal? One's been ko'd a few times. One is undefeated. One just did 300K on ppv,one is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay above that. How does that translate to 50/50. nikkas basically saying "come on floyd you know you're gonna make tons of money,why dont you give manny a lil charity" gtfoh
your right
only thing i would dispute is that manny doesn't "need floyd" because of his accomplishments
most people could care less about pacquaio's accomplishments
i think he isn't criticized as much because he comes across as a more likeable person and he has a more exciting boxing style
Plus people reallly hate floyd and manny is the only thing they can latch onto to dispute his greatness
whether they fight or not, floyd will go down as the better fighter
but that pacquaio shyt will follow him around
people dont give a shyt about the facts of the situation
its just much easier and convenient to say hes scared
Exactly.
Both of them have been at fault for the fight not happening (Pacquiao's camp more imo), but Floyd is the one who's gonna take the brunt of the blame and it will be tied heavily to his legacy. Pacquiao, on the otherhand, will not have to deal with that because the media has been chosen to side with Manny on this.
Floyd is gonna have to take the fight and beat Pacquiao to shut people's mouths up. He cannot retire without beating Pacquiao or his legacy will feel "incomplete". There is no title he can win, at this point, that will be > beating Manny Pacquiao...his rival in the same division. Manny will be haunted with steroid allegations when he retires, Floyd will be haunted by Manny Pacquiao's name if he retires with no fight. I hope he fights him and puts to rest all the doubters who dont believe he will fight him and the ones who feel Pacquiao can beat him.
No way does he deserve a 50/50 split, I agree. 60/40 at BEST is the most he should be offered imo. Everything you just said is true.
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
They don't think logically from Floyd's perspective because they're not in Floyd's shoes...rest assured all these clowns hollering about he's scared for not making the fight would be doing the exact same thing if they were in Floyd's shoes...Boxing is this mans business and livelihood, its not in his best interest to just give Bob Arum what he wants to quiet the public...He's getting paid either way, so if Bob don't want to negotiate fairly it is what it is...Bottom line is in 2015 Floyd's the A fighter, Pacquiao is the 2-2 in his last 4 fights B fighter...If they wanted 50/50 all they had to do was sign when Floyd did in '09 but drug testing spooked them...