Florida is stopping a PARENT-LESS 16 YEAR OLD from getting an abortion because "she's not mature enough"...but she is to have a kid?! #BothSides

[Contrefaire]

Sex at 16 has been normal since humans were on Earth. It's stopped being "normal" right before the 20th century started.

I know the American educational system is lacking but I REALLY wish a lot of y'all possessed just a bit more curiosity when it comes to historical knowledge.

Even in the 19th century it wasn't the norm for a girl to be married and pregnant at 16.

 

[beenz]

this is what ya'll get living in the south and/or red states

 

[Savvir]

Wait a minute.....abstinence isn't a "policy" and when was it scientifically proven not to work?!?!? I've scrolled past people bringing up slavery, political parties, etc, and the one narrative that you just simply don't understand why it's being mentioned in this thread is "sexual discipline"? Are you that consumed by sex, that when discussing the horrors of the CONSEQUENCES (birth or abortion), the mere mention of trying to find a solution at the ROOT of the situation bothers you?

16 year olds are still kids. I never would have thought in a thread full of scenarios that are off shoots of the original topic, the one that causes you pause is suggesting KIDS don't have sex. Weird.

Abstinence education instead of sexual education as a policy that has been tested in the past has been PROVEN to be ineffective

Abstinence-Only Education Is Ineffective And Unethical, Report Argues

Researchers say that programs advocating abstinence until marriage fail to get teens to delay sexual activity and also prevent them from getting important information about pregnancy and STDs.

www.npr.org

The analysis confirms previous public health findings that abstinence-only education programs don't succeed in reducing rates of teen pregnancies or STDs. Moreover, public health data indicate that such programs "have little demonstrated efficacy in helping adolescents to delay intercourse," the authors write.

I don't understand what the disconnect is. I would definitely prefer teenagers not have sex until they were more mature. I would definitely say saving sex until marriage is wonderful.

Regardless... government should promote policy that that actually works and helps their citizens the most.

You think you're fighting some ideological battle when really I'm just looking at empirical data and taking a stance that would kead to less STDs and teen pregnancies.

Would you rather have higher teen pregnancies as long as you get to promote what you see as right? Or are you willing to promote what works?

 

[JamesJabdi]

Well that's quite the leap in logic given that we don't even know if this particular 16 year old is even black.

But even if she were black you wouldn't really give a crap about the quality of her life let alone her child's.

Eugenics says that this young girl should have been aborted herself or even removed from population because she is parentless....which alot of pro-abortion folks agree with.

And you talking about me not giving a crap? The pro-abortion movement just using her to promote their agenda...they dont give a crap about her. You think this young lady will be happy about killing her baby in the future?

 

[Secure Da Bag]

I know the American educational system is lacking but I REALLY wish a lot of y'all possessed just a bit more curiosity when it comes to historical knowledge.

Even in the 19th century it wasn't the norm for a girl to be married and pregnant at 16.

Seeing that women were still dying at 40 at a far higher rate back then than now. It certainly wasn't rare for a girl at 16 to be pregnant at that time.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Consequences of YOUR actions vs a medical procedure are two different things. Sexual discipline would negate this issue all together.

oh word she sounds um... homeless you don't know how she got pregnant or if it was by choice.

i see you going hard in abortion topics like a dumb ass though.

 

[HarlemHottie]

This is a nasty place to be in as a society.

 

[Swagnificent]

What part of "getting an abortion IS taking responsibility for your actions" does your simple ass not understand!?

What part of its against the law do you not understand? If abortion is illegal in your state (I know that isn't technically the case here but my argument was more general anyways) then you should understand the risk that comes with having sex which is you could become pregnant. For most of human history women understood this which is why they were prudent about when they had sex and with whom.

 

[Champ_KW]

Abstinence education instead of sexual education as a policy that has been tested in the past has been PROVEN to be ineffective

Abstinence-Only Education Is Ineffective And Unethical, Report Argues

Researchers say that programs advocating abstinence until marriage fail to get teens to delay sexual activity and also prevent them from getting important information about pregnancy and STDs.

www.npr.org

The analysis confirms previous public health findings that abstinence-only education programs don't succeed in reducing rates of teen pregnancies or STDs. Moreover, public health data indicate that such programs "have little demonstrated efficacy in helping adolescents to delay intercourse," the authors write.

I don't understand what the disconnect is. I would definitely prefer teenagers not have sex until they were more mature. I would definitely say saving sex until marriage is wonderful.

Regardless... government should promote policy that that actually works and helps their citizens the most.

You think you're fighting some ideological battle when really I'm just looking at empirical data and taking a stance that would kead to less STDs and teen pregnancies.

Would you rather have higher teen pregnancies as long as you get to promote what you see as right? Or are you willing to promote what works?

You just put a jacket on me that don't even fit. Sexual discipline is just that.....sexual discipline. The same discipline that applies in every other area of life. Dont make decisions until you're capable of handling ALL the consequences that comes with it. Thats not some Bible thumper ideology. That's called logic. I never said the word marriage either. Yall so attached to sex, that when someone even suggest showing some discipline, you automatically tried to cloak it in dogma and try to dismiss it as some unattainable reality.

 

[Swagnificent]

I know the American educational system is lacking but I REALLY wish a lot of y'all possessed just a bit more curiosity when it comes to historical knowledge.

Even in the 19th century it wasn't the norm for a girl to be married and pregnant at 16.

Actually the average age of marriage in several African countries is still around 16 to this day. So while this might not have been true in 1800s America (it was 19 years old btw) it was true for most of the world. And is still true in some parts today.

 

[Champ_KW]

oh word she sounds um... homeless you don't know how she got pregnant or if it was by choice.

i see you going hard in abortion topics like a dumb ass though.

And you don't know how she got pregnant either. I haven't said anything about the young girls choices specifically. I said sexual discipline will negate circumstances like this. And for some reason the word "discipline" got some of yall in a blender. Never would've thought I'd get this much push back for suggesting young people value their bodies and assert discipline. Wow.

 

[Savvir]

You just put a jacket on me that don't even fit. Sexual discipline is just that.....sexual discipline. The same discipline that applies in every other area of life. Dont make decisions until you're capable of handling ALL the consequences that comes with it. Thats not some Bible thumper ideology. That's called logic. I never said the word marriage either. Yall so attached to sex, that when someone even suggest showing some discipline, you automatically tried to cloak it in dogma and try to dismiss it as some unattainable reality.

1. I brought up marriage because I believe alot of issues would be resolved if people waited until marriage/serious dating before they had sex. that is MY opinion and i stated it was my opinion... why the fukk are you acting like im accusing you of saying that? i literally said it was my opinion..

2. what does " so attached to sex" even mean? We are talking about a minor having an abortion... and you accuse full grown adults of being attached to sex? If i like having sex does that negate the fact that forcing a child to have a baby is wrong?

3. Who even brought up the word dogma besides you? shyt, alot of my viewpoints come from growing up catholic...that's literal dogmatic programming in alot of my viewpoints... so you think we are accusing you of dogma... when really my viewpoints can be considered dogmatic.... who are you even arguing with?

 

[JamesJabdi]

A mentally unwell woman has a child with a man. The man gets killed. The child is taken away and becomes a criminal.....all pro-abortion folks agree that kid should be aborted. That kid however turned into being Malcolm X.

Can you imagine the countless of black heroes we lost to abortion...the amount of unwritten stories? Always think the worst of unborn babies.....shyt sad out here.

 

[HarlemHottie]

And you don't know how she got pregnant either. I haven't said anything about the young girls choices specifically. I said sexual discipline will negate circumstances like this. And for some reason the word "discipline" got some of yall in a blender. Never would've thought I'd get this much push back for suggesting young people value their bodies and assert discipline. Wow.

I dapped this post as one who was quite sexually active at 16, but i was SUPER disciplined about my bc and kitty health. The dr got sick of seeing me, thats how often i was there, just for a quick look-see to make sure things were on track. TWO forms of bc. Never got pregnant.

Its not rocket science. Sexual freedom comes with certain responsibilities. You cant place all your faith in the state protecting your rights to infanticide.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

And you don't know how she got pregnant either. I haven't said anything about the young girls choices specifically. I said sexual discipline will negate circumstances like this. And for some reason the word "discipline" got some of yall in a blender. Never would've thought I'd get this much push back for suggesting young people value their bodies and assert discipline. Wow.

You incels are mad because you don't have sex. You are mad at people having sex. Stop pretending it's some greater meaning or morality behind your feelings.

You assumed a lot. Let me reiterate again... This is a 16 year old with no parents. You could shut your dumb ass judgmental crap up based on that alone. Young people will always experiment and have sex. Just cuz you weirdos were lacking in that aspect of life you have a bone to pick with sexually active people now. It's bitterness and resentment behind your words.