First Take Debate: Lebron or Steph; Who has been the MVP over the last 10 seasons

[Shadow King]

That would be steph.

Why? Because he would've started with the Heatles team. And probably would've never left. Also, Bron on those Warriors teams would not have won in 2015 and would not have been in the finals in 2016 which means KD ain't joining Bron.

Bron would've left golden state by year 4.

 

[Shadow King]

Lebron on that warriors team doesnt even make the finals

Idiocy

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Idiocy

Tell Klutch there are paid posters for hire

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

It's a shame every fanbase of teams bron played for hates him

Only his vagrant stans defend him

 

[Shadow King]

More idiocy

 

[MyApps]

No.

 

[Shadow King]

I got Curry. The difference between them to me is that Lebron raises the floor. You're not going to be a bad team with Bron ball. He'll at least have you as a contender every year. But he also limits the ceiling because you aren't getting the best out of everyone on the team. Bron works the best with players that fit into the system and can be productive without the ball in their hands as much.

Steph I think can fit in any system. He's shown he can succeed in fast paced or half court offenses. He can be the center of offenses with or without the ball in his hand.

In all the hypotheticals we don't know if Dray, Klay, Wiggins, Poole become the players they became because they wouldn't be empowered to expand their games as Lebron would be doing everything on offense limiting their chances to grow their games.

Obviously Bron has the greater overall career and his higher in GOAT standings. In the last 10 though Steph owns that.

The problem is nothing that any of those players would be asked to do would change. So I'm not seeing it.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

 

[Shadow King]

No.

Yes.

 

[murksiderock]

This thread further emphasizes just how insufferable Bron stans are.

The Coli Curry Crew apparently don't own mirrors ...

Man all this shyt is subjective, it's wild funny when dudes get in they feelings about this shyt...

 

[Osmosis]

It's a shame every fanbase of teams bron played for hates him

Only his vagrant stans defend him

Most Lebron haters fall in two categories: cacs and insecure jordan/kobe dikkriders (majority of this board)

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The Coli Curry Crew apparently don't own mirrors ...

Man all this shyt is subjective, it's wild funny when dudes get in they feelings about this shyt...

How many Steph stans are really on this board? And how many are in here saying wild shyt?

 

[YaThreadTrashB!]

The one that literally changed the game of basketball

 

[MyApps]

Yes.

No.

 

[KidJSoul]

This is such an elementary way of looking at it.

Steph cultivated the culture/system that led to a dynasty and the players that played alongside him became the best versions of themselves. Does Draymond become the player he does if he plays alongside Bron for his entire career, or would he have likely been traded long ago for a shooter? Does Wiggins turn into the same player if he played alongside Bron? How many players have played alongside Steph and become better as a result? How many players have benefitted from Steph being the most selfless superstar of the modern era? How many players have benefitted from having more easy scoring opportunities as a result from his gravity and off-ball movement?

Nobody should hold it against Bron that he wanted to maximize his chances of winning by hopping from team to team, but there's a reason why he hasn't been able to create the same environment that Steph has.