First Images of Viola Davis in "The Woman King" (2022)

[Lannister]

CRAZY how I'm seeing liberal cacs defend this movie saying "it's exploring the dynamics of slavery which wasn't just done by Europeans but also by Africans which have never been discussed/explored"

While racists cacs are the ones calling it out for making heroes out of slave traders (of course they see it as a "woke movie") but still you would think it would be the other way around

Racists think the film is pushing an anti-White narrative, that it's making them out to be the big bad guys. If this was just a film about the tribe, White people out of the equation, these people wouldn't be outraged.

 

[Anwulika]

Benin is seen in oral history within Southern Nigeria as the origin place of many peoples. My paternal ancestral lore has us fleeing Benin around the 1500s from a tyrannical emperor, before we became Igbo.

Lagos started off as a Benin war camp.

An Edo friend told me Benin’s language is not spoken widely in Southern Nigeria because they refused to teach Edo to non-native speakers

If your ancestors fled Benin around the 1500s then it's likely because they were trying to avoid being captured and sold to the Europeans as slaves. Bini people did not sell their own, only Igbos and other ethnic groups that were in the region at the time. There is nothing like 'becoming Igbo'. Your ancestors were either Igbo or they weren't.

 

[RamsayBolton]

Yall are bringing up really good points

Which makes me wonder why the fukk they didnt just make up an African nation instead of literally using a slave trading one

 

[Samori Toure]

The Kingdom of Benin (the one that's in present day South-Western Nigeria) was engaged in the slave trade well into the 18th century. They were also among the first to make contact with the Europeans; giving them slaves in exchange for materials and weapons.

They didn't sell their own, however, only Igbos and other neighbouring tribes.

Read up on Oba Esigie. He banned it in 1550.

 

[Unknown Poster]

#BoycottWomanKing is trending on Twitter.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

If your ancestors fled Benin around the 1500s then it's likely because they were trying to avoid being captured and sold to the Europeans as slaves. Bini people did not sell their own, only Igbos and other ethnic groups that were in the region at the time. There is nothing like 'becoming Igbo'. Your ancestors were either Igbo or they weren't.

Ethnicity is pretty transient.

Are you from Nigeria? I have friends whose ancestors were Fulani traders 200 years ago but are now Edo speakers. Hundreds of thousands of Igbos were sold to ethnic groups in the Niger Delta (see Jaja of Opobo) but now speak Ijaw, Ogoni etc

Nigeria is a very diverse place. I know more about Nigeria’s history than you.

 

[Samori Toure]

If your ancestors fled Benin around the 1500s then it's likely because they were trying to avoid being captured and sold to the Europeans as slaves. Bini people did not sell their own, only Igbos and other ethnic groups that were in the region at the time. There is nothing like 'becoming Igbo'. Your ancestors were either Igbo or they weren't.

Oba Esigie didn't sell any slaves to the Portuguese after 1550 because he could see the damage being done by the slave trade. He was also interested in keeping labor for his wall. It is also thought that he founded Onitsha.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Oba Esigie didn't sell any slaves to the Portuguese after 1550 because he could see the damage being done by the slave trade. He was also interested in keeping labor for his wall. It is also thought that he founded Onitsha.

The idea that peoples in southern Nigeria stayed static, ethnically or linguistically flies in the face of Nigerian history.

Aros put their people all over northern Igboland, Lagos started out as a Benin war camp, Igala and northern Igbo both engaged in war and acknowledge kinship ties, Itsekiri and Yoruba also acknowledge kinship -

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

It’s a common story in West African oral histories about a noble rejecting the rule of x ruler, and decided to leave with their followers to found a new city/nation.

We even saw this phenomenon with the founding of Abeokuta in the 19th century. Or when the British were finishing up the Sokoto Caliphate the deposed monarch Attahiru I fled with thousands of his followers across Northern Nigeria

 

[LuuqMaan]

Is it true Lupita opted out, after finding out the true story of this kingdom?

Someone lied to Viola

 

[Samori Toure]

There are plenty of fantasy shows and movies that show fascists in sympathetic light and show depth and layers to nazi's etc. The man in high castle comes to mind as an example of a big budget highly acclaimed show that humanized Nazi's. Plenty of movies and shows show facists as more than just simple mindless evil monsters.

But with regards to BLACK people. ALL those europeans they idolize would be considered our Nazi's and facists. But yall will watch movies that idolize and paint them in a positive light. Abe lincoln and the founding fathers who all owned slaves.. Christopher Columbus, Napolean Bonaparte, English royal family etc.. All these cacs killed, enslaved and terrorized black people around the globe. You would have to boycott 50% of movies and tv shows if that was the criteria.

Now say the rest of it. Dahomey, the Aro Confederacy and the Dagomba, etc., greatly helped those cacs to kill, enslave and terrorize Black people. Those bums were the first layer of you analysis, because Whites people didn't just walk up into kingdoms kidnapping people. They had a network of bums helping them.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Now say the rest of it. Dahomey, the Aro Confederacy and the Dagomba, etc., greatly helped those cacs to kill, enslave and terrorize Black people. Those bums were the first layer of you analysis, because Whites people didn't just walk up into kingdoms kidnapping people. They had a network of bums helping them.

Yes cacs absolutely did kill, terrorize and enslave africans on the continent on their own. You sounds crazy making excuses for them. Of course they also engaged in trading and manipulation of captured tribes by other tribes as well.

Do you even know what the colonisation of aftrica was? They didn't sit back and let cacs take over all their land. Do you think cacs achieved this without bloodshed, battles or Africans fighting back? You are regurgitating the whitewashed version of history you were taught that tries to absolve cacs and europeans of their actions.

 

[Samori Toure]

Yes cacs absolutely did kill, terrorize and enslave africans on the continent on their own. You sounds crazy making excuses for them. Of course they also engaged in trading and manipulation of captured tribes by other tribes as well.

Do you even know what the colonisation of aftrica was? They didn't sit back and let cacs take over all their land. Do you think cacs achieved this without bloodshed, battles or Africans fighting back? You are regurgitating the whitewashed version of history you were taught that tries to absolve cacs and europeans of their actions.

You sound nuts. Colonialism only happened because Africans engaged in the slave trade. The slave trade happened first. Then after Africans engaged in 400 years of slave wars against each other the White man then colonized the rest of the Africans. It was the slave trade that opened the door for coloniasm, because the White man knew that African empires had been decimated and had collapsed under the constant warfare associated with slave trading and they could no longer defend themselves. So it was the Africans that were the middlemen in the slave trade that paved the way for coloniasm. The White man did not control the trade in Africa. The trade in Africa was controlled by middlemen like the Aro Confederacy.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

You sound nuts. Colonialism only happened because Africans engaged in the slave trade. The slave trade happened first. Then after Africans engaged in 400 years of slave wars against each other the White man then colonized the rest of the Africans. It was the slave trade that opened the door for coloniasm, because the White man knew that African empires had been decimated and had collapsed under the constant warfare associated with slave trading and they could no longer defend themselves. So it was the Africans that were the middlemen in the slave trade that paved the way for coloniasm. The White man did not control the trade in Africa. The trade in Africa was controlled by middlemen like the Aro Confederacy.

You are conflating my points to try to make yours with things I never said and to absolve cacs. THIS film that you are complaining about is set in the 1820's. during the colonization of Africa. .

 

[Samori Toure]

You are conflating my points to try to make yours with things I never said and to absolve cacs. THIS film that you are complaining about is set in the 1820's. during the colonization of Africa. .

Dahomey and for that matter the Aro Confederacy were still selling slaves to the Europeans and White Americans up until the time of the American Civil War in 1860. Read the book the Barrac00n. Read about the ship the Clotilda. The Clotilda was still sailing to West Africa to smuggle kidnapped people into the USA up until July of 1860. There were other American ships doing the same thing.