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Read up on Oba Esigie. He banned it in 1550.
He banned the sale of male slaves externally (i.e. to the Europeans) in 1516 because he needed them for his Empire. They still continued to sell female slaves (many of them were Igbo) and even resumed selling male slaves later on. They were no better than the Dahomey.
 

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He banned the sale of male slaves externally (i.e. to the Europeans) in 1516 because he needed them for his Empire. They still continued to sell female slaves (many of them were Igbo) and even resumed selling male slaves later on. They were no better than the Dahomey.

They stopped selling all slaves by 1550. They were better than the Aro Confederacy and Dahomey.
 

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Ethnicity is pretty transient.

Are you from Nigeria? I have friends whose ancestors were Fulani traders 200 years ago but are now Edo speakers. Hundreds of thousands of Igbos were sold to ethnic groups in the Niger Delta (see Jaja of Opobo) but now speak Ijaw, Ogoni etc

Nigeria is a very diverse place. I know more about Nigeria’s history than you.
Yes, I am from Nigeria and please don't presume to know more about Nigerian (particularly Igbo) history than me.

Yes, people migrate, intermarry and even conquer other people’s lands and become something else altogether. It's the same everywhere, not just in Africa.

However, the point you made was that your ancestors were Bini and then became Igbo just because they moved Eastwards. That makes no sense. If your ancestors were truly Bini, there would be traces of it in your dialect.

All Igbos are mixed with something. In fact, the only way we classify Igbo heritage is through language. There is no other unifying factor.

So what linguistic similarities does your dialect have with Bini? Because even in some parts of Rivers (it might even be Opobo) where Igbo women married their men en masse, they still have some traces of the Igbo language in their dialect.

Where are the Bini traces in yours?

(Mind you, my ancestors also migrated from the Benin Empire but they were always Igbo as they always spoke Igbo.)
 
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Your fellow Igbos in the Aro Confederacy sold your own people. You will not blaspheme the Empire of Benin.

Please read through the link I sent you in my previous post. Also, read this one: Encyclopedia of Antislavery and Abolition

Aro Confederacy had nothing to do with the enslavement of my people. My people once lived under the Benin Empire and many (particularly women) were sold by them.
 

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Good day sir. I will allow you to live in your delusions.

First of all, I'm not a "sir".
Secondly, if you'd bothered to read any of the links I sent you then you'd know I'm speaking the truth.

Oba Esigie prohibited the external sale (read: Europeans) of male slaves in 1516. He kept selling female slaves to them. This wasn't out of the kindness of his heart. He needed those men to strengthen his empire (as his own slaves, of course.)

Later on, in the 18th century, the Benin Empire resumed the sale of male slaves (along with the female ones) to the Europeans.
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First of all, I'm not a "sir".
Secondly, if you'd bothered to read any of the links I sent you then you'd know I'm speaking the truth.

Oba Esigie prohibited the external sale (read: Europeans) of male slaves in 1516. He kept selling female slaves to them. This wasn't out of the kindness of his heart. He needed those men to strengthen his empire (as his own slaves, of course.)

Later on, in the 18th century, the Benin Empire resumed the sale of male slaves (along with female ones) the Europeans.

These are facts. You cannot dispute it.

I stopped reading your crap the moment you tried to pretend that the Aro Confederacy were not the largest group of slave traders of Igbos. There is not even a historical dispute about that. Like literally no one disputes that fact. Not even the Aro Confederacy disputes that fact.

Live your delusions. Good day Ma'am.
 

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I stopped reading your crap the moment you tried to pretend that the Aro Confederacy were not the largest group of slave traders of Igbos. There is not even a historical dispute about that. Like literally no one disputes that fact. Not even the Aro Confederacy disputes that fact.

Live your delusions. Good day Ma'am.
Where did I say that the Aro Confederacy weren't the largest group of slave traders of Igbos?

I said that the Benin Empire was mostly responsible for selling my people (the people from my community). Don't be insulting and don't try to tell me about my own history.

You've been misinformed about the Benin Empire and seem to be romantising their brutal history (which is exactly what some have accused this film of doing.)
 
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Where did I say that the Aro Confederacy weren't the largest group of slaves traders of Igbos?

I said that the Benin Empire was mostly responsible for selling my people (the people from my community). Don't be insulting and don't try to tell me about my own history.

You've been misinformed about the Benin Empire and seem to be romantising their brutal history (which is exactly what some people have accused this film of doing.)

The Aro Confederacy were the largest seller of their fellow Igbos Ma'am. It is not even historically open to debate.
 

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The Aro Confederacy were the largest seller of their fellow Igbos Ma'am. It is not even historically open to debate.
Okay... What's that got to do with anything I just said?

I'm telling you what happened to my community (which was under the Benin Empire) and you're saying something else.
 
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