Fetishzation & Exotization of US Creoles, Louisiana history & People

[TNOT]

This thread is for history, Culture, Race,photos, info etc in Louisiana.

There’s a lot of irrational Louisiana hate on this board. They believe everybody from da boot claims they’re a light skin creole with Haitian roots.

Born here, lived here all my days. I’ve had the pleasure of traveling all over the world and this country. There’s no place like home.

I’m still waiting for somebody to post an example of culture thriving in other parts of the south like you see in the NO.

They let their culture die off, didn’t embrace it and know they get upset when we say we’re unique or different.

 

[im_sleep]

There’s a lot of irrational Louisiana hate on this board. They believe everybody from da boot claims they’re a light skin creole with Haitian roots.

Born here, lived here all my days. I’ve had the pleasure of traveling all over the world and this country. There’s no place like home.

I’m still waiting for somebody to post an example of culture thriving in other parts of the south like you see in the NO.

They let their culture die off, didn’t embrace it and know they get upset when we say we’re unique or different.

So Louisiana is the only state in the South that has culture? Or as you put it a thriving culture?

That’s a real slippery slope, and honestly it’s that kind of mentality that gets push back from folks. It’s one thing to have pride in where your from but another to down everybody else, when you do that of course folks are gonna take exception why wouldn’t they?

What exactly do you consider culture?

 

[Supper]

That’s a real slippery slope, and honestly it’s that kind of mentality that gets push back from folks. It’s one thing to have pride in where your from but another to down everybody else, when you do that of course folks are gonna take exception why wouldn’t they?

Exactly.

But, the Louisiana state and local municipal governments, and ESPECIALLY New Orleans, do a good job of getting behind their culture by marketing it and spending money on it to bring in tourist even if a lot of inaccuracies, misnomers, and gross exaggerations have arisen from this. But, this is borne out of an economic need by a pretty poor state and city that is desperately in need of funds from tourist revenue. I'd say that's the key difference between them and the rest of the south.

So, really it's only natural you'd have ignorant cats like lil' buddy here jump at the opportunity to interpret that as meaning they're exceptionally "cultured" compared to the rest of us, and then further extrapolate that to mean they must be exotic or foreign to the rest of us, and therefore must have a special relationship with other foreigners ie caribbeans. Classic case of exoticism syndrome.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Like @Supper already a big thread.

May merge this thread.

 

[TNOT]

So Louisiana is the only state in the South that has culture? Or as you put it a thriving culture?

That’s a real slippery slope, and honestly it’s that kind of mentality that gets push back from folks. It’s one thing to have pride in where your from but another to down everybody else, when you do that of course folks are gonna take exception why wouldn’t they?

What exactly do you consider culture?

The argument on “ here” is that Louisiana culture is not unique on to itself and that AA all over the south have similar cultural practices, like food, music, and to some extent religious practices. My point of contention is that if that’s true, why don’t I see that culture on display in Mississippi, South Carolina, or Alabama. Millions of people travel to New Orleans yearly because the city is unique (there’s more to the city Bourbon street).



I’m not saying we’re the only state in the south that has culture, I am saying our culture is unique, and if that’s a result of other regions of the south letting their rich heritage slip away, then dont blame the people here for continuing to pass it down and celebrating it.

It ain’t my fault

 

[TNOT]

Exactly.

But, the Louisiana state and local municipal governments, and ESPECIALLY New Orleans, do a good job of getting behind their culture by marketing it and spending money on it to bring in tourist even if a lot of inaccuracies, misnomers, and gross exaggerations have arisen from this. But, this is borne out of an economic need by a pretty poor state and city that is desperately in need of funds from tourist revenue. I'd say that's the key difference between them and the rest of the south.

So, really it's only natural you'd have ignorant cats like lil' buddy here jump at the opportunity to interpret that as meaning they're exceptionally "cultured" compared to the rest of us, and then further extrapolate that to mean they must be exotic or foreign to the rest of us, and therefore must have a special relationship with other foreigners ie caribbeans. Classic case of exoticism syndrome.

Where did I say this? You can’t point to one post where I say or make mention of Louisiana being exotic or exceptional, those are your words. I’ve only used the words unique or different to describe the culture here.

 

[im_sleep]

The argument on “ here” is that Louisiana culture is not unique on to itself and that AA all over the south have similar cultural practices, like food, music, and to some extent religious practices. My point of contention is that if that’s true, why don’t I see that culture on display in Mississippi, South Carolina, or Alabama. Millions of people travel to New Orleans yearly because the city is unique (there’s more to the city Bourbon street).



I’m not saying we’re the only state in the south that has culture, I am saying our culture is unique, and if that’s a result of other regions of the south letting their rich heritage slip away, then dont blame the people here for continuing to pass it down and celebrating it.

It ain’t my fault

What is it exactly that you consider culture?

I don’t think anybody doubts what’s unique, at least I don’t. It’s the misunderstanding of what’s unique and what isn’t that brings about this argument.

Most AA’s have more in common than not, no matter where from. That doesn’t take away from any uniqueness that some individual cities, states, and regions may have, however when that uniqueness gets exaggerated is where the issue comes about, and I hold that position with everybody.

Now this issue just so happens comes up quite a bit with New Orleans in particular because some people take that uniqueness and exaggerate it because of its history, to the point where people are questioning whether AA’s from there are really AA. Or that AA’s there can relate to Africa or the Caribbean more than they can other AA’s. Or that AA’s there have more culture. Does that make sense? Because I’ve seen that brought up quite a few times online.

Not saying that’s what you’re doing at all but just giving some perspective. To be honest personally, I’ve ONLY seen this kind of stuff online, mainly from folks who aren’t AA to begin with. Folks I’ve known personally from New Orleans were never on some special snowflake better than shyt, not my experiences at least.

 

[im_sleep]

Exactly.

But, the Louisiana state and local municipal governments, and ESPECIALLY New Orleans, do a good job of getting behind their culture by marketing it and spending money on it to bring in tourist even if a lot of inaccuracies, misnomers, and gross exaggerations have arisen from this. But, this is borne out of an economic need by a pretty poor state and city that is desperately in need of funds from tourist revenue. I'd say that's the key difference between them and the rest of the south.

So, really it's only natural you'd have ignorant cats like lil' buddy here jump at the opportunity to interpret that as meaning they're exceptionally "cultured" compared to the rest of us, and then further extrapolate that to mean they must be exotic or foreign to the rest of us, and therefore must have a special relationship with other foreigners ie caribbeans. Classic case of exoticism syndrome.

Yeah a place having a highly visible culture doesn’t negate similar culture in lesser known spaces.

Like no one separates Bahia from Afro-Brazilian culture in general just because of its high visibility and reputation.

That’s why I ask what exactly is culture in this case. How are we defining it? I think that’s where some of the misunderstanding is coming from.

 

[TNOT]

What is it exactly that you consider culture?

I don’t think anybody doubts what’s unique, at least I don’t. It’s the misunderstanding of what’s unique and what isn’t that brings about this argument.

Most AA’s have more in common than not, no matter where from. That doesn’t take away from any uniqueness that some individual cities, states, and regions may have, however when that uniqueness gets exaggerated is where the issue comes about, and I hold that position with everybody.

Now this issue just so happens comes up quite a bit with New Orleans in particular because some people take that uniqueness and exaggerate it because of its history, to the point where people are questioning whether AA’s from there are really AA. Or that AA’s there can relate to Africa or the Caribbean more than they can other AA’s. Or that AA’s there have more culture. Does that make sense? Because I’ve seen that brought up quite a few times online.

Not saying that’s what you’re doing at all but just giving some perspective. To be honest personally, I’ve ONLY seen this kind of stuff online, mainly from folks who aren’t AA to begin with. Folks I’ve known personally from New Orleans were never on some special snowflake better than shyt, not my experiences at least.

Yeah it only lives online. People from New Orleans rep New Orleans hard, that’s no different than people from other places.

My definition of culture, are a places Music, Food, religious practices, neighborhood structures . Things that are passed down from generation to generation that continue to define the region or city they live in.

If you get on I 10 in Houston and go East to New Orleans the culture changes at least 4 times, Houston, Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge all have similar, but different cultures. But The difference between those places and New Orleans is very evident.

 

[Supper]

Where did I say this? You can’t point to one post where I say or make mention of Louisiana being exotic or exceptional, those are your words. I’ve only used the words unique or different to describe the culture here.

It's pretty clearly implied in what your saying that NOLA and NOLA only is especially unique among AAs, when I'm saying it's not. It has it's own flavor like any other city in the south, but still falls under it's own larger regional sub category

Yeah it only lives online. People from New Orleans rep New Orleans hard, that’s no different than people from other places.

My definition of culture, are a places Music, Food, religious practices, neighborhood structures . Things that are passed down from generation to generation that continue to define the region or city they live in.

If you get on I 10 in Houston and go East to New Orleans the culture changes at least 4 times, Houston, Lake Charles, Lafayette, Baton Rouge all have similar, but different cultures. But The difference between those places and New Orleans is very evident.

It's a semantic point but..............

That's because New Orleans clusters a lot closer to places like Biloxi MS, Pascagoula MS, and Mobile AL to the east. Pretty much every city on the gulf coast between NOLA and MOAL have similar cultures and cluster together as a meta cultural sub category of the greater AA culture.

The Houston, Beaumont, Lake Charles, Lafayette(and everything in between) is it's own meta-cultural continuum, due to the history of migration and families ties between people of this part of the gulf coast.

Houston also intersects with another metacultural corridor going out to rural East TX for the same reason, and that's something that makes our city unique hence why our culture is often referred to as being "urban creole cowboy" in nature. This manifestation of a mix of rural Southern Louisianaian, rural East Texan, in a big city urban setting is like few other places in the country.

Jacksonville FL, Savannah GA, Charleston SC, and Wilmington NC is another example of a meta cultural sub category among AAs.

Yet, you'll never hear me claim that Houston AA culture is so unique that it takes us out of the fold of being AA, makes MORE unique than other cities in the south, gives us more affinity to Afro-Mexicans in Veracruz or something. Because while Houston culture as a whole is unique to an extent the individual core elements of it are clearly AA in origin and are shared by AAs in many other places. Not to mention there are a ton of ubiquitous cultural unifiers present in Houston, New Orleans, Mobile, and everywhere else AAs that are pretty common throughout the entire ethnic group.

 

[TNOT]

It's pretty clearly implied in what your saying that NOLA and NOLA only is especially unique among AAs, when I'm saying it's not. It has it's own flavor like any other city in the south, but still falls under it's own larger regional sub category



It's a semantic point but..............

That's because New Orleans clusters a lot closer to places like Biloxi MS, Pascagoula MS, and Mobile AL to the east. Pretty much every city on the gulf coast between NOLA and MOAL are similar cultures and cluster together as a meta cultural sub category of the greater AA culture.

The Houston, Beaumont, Lake Charles, Lafayette(and everything in between) is it's own meta-cultural continuum, due to the history of migration and families ties between people of this part of the gulf coast.

Houston also intersects with another metacultural corridor going out to rural East TX for the same reason, and that's something that makes our city unique hence why our culture is often referred to as being "urban creole cowboy" in nature. This manifestation of a mix of rural Southern Louisianaian, rural East Texan, in a big city urban setting is like few other places in the country.

Jacksonville FL, Savannah GA, Charleston SC, and Wilmington NC is another example of a meta cultural sub category among AAs.

Yet, you'll never hear me claim that Houston AA culture is so unique that it takes us out of the fold of being AA, makes MORE unique than other cities in the south, gives us more affinity to Afro-Mexicans in Veracruz or something. Because while Houston culture as a whole is unique to an extent the individual core elements of it are clearly AA in origin and are shared by AAs in many other places. Not to mention there are a ton of ubiquitous cultural unifiers present in Houston, New Orleans, Mobile, and everywhere else AAs that are pretty common throughout the entire ethnic group.

If that’s how you want to take it that’s on you.

 

[get these nets]

This thread is for history, Culture, Race,photos, info etc in Louisiana.

There's a current film in theaters about one of THE most important figures in the history of music.
Definitely an important Louisianan.




Saw this over the weekend. There were only six Black people in the ENTIRE theater.

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@TNOT
have they made a big deal about this film opening in New Orleans?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

we have two big threads on this already

The argument on “ here” is that Louisiana culture is not unique on to itself and that AA all over the south have similar cultural practices, like food, music, and to some extent religious practices. My point of contention is that if that’s true, why don’t I see that culture on display in Mississippi, South Carolina, or Alabama. Millions of people travel to New Orleans yearly because the city is unique (there’s more to the city Bourbon street).

you do, you just aren't paying attention

Visit Mississippi » Birthplace of America's Music

Visit Mississippi » Birthplace of America's Music

I’m not saying we’re the only state in the south that has culture, I am saying our culture is unique, and if that’s a result of other regions of the south letting their rich heritage slip away, then dont blame the people here for continuing to pass it down and celebrating it.

It ain’t my fault

this didn't happen[/QUOTE]

 

[TNOT]

we have two big threads on this already



you do, you just aren't paying attention

Visit Mississippi » Birthplace of America's Music

Visit Mississippi » Birthplace of America's Music

this didn't happen

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You showing me signs, and photos. Where are the young people picking up the instruments, playing the music, keeping the culture alive?


Who’s the best young blues guitarist in Mississippi?

Off the top of my head I can name 3 young artist pushing the New Orleans sound forward. People like Christian Scott, Trombone shorty, Pj Morton are all young jazz artist who tour world wide.

Groups like Tank and the Bangas( a group of kids barely out high school, who mixed all those sounds together ) Hot 8, and Rebirth keeping the New Orleans brass band sound relevant

Bounce is being copied by the biggest artist, and is responsible for 2 of the biggest/popular songs made last year. Not to mention how much Beyoncé loves to copy the New Orleans bounce sound.

I gave you three different genres of music still thriving in the city/ world TODAY IN 2019. All started in New Orleans.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

You showing me signs, and photos.

to illustrate that Mississippi and other places are doing just like Louisiana/New Orleans are putting out their culture for tourism purposes

MPB : Mississippi Public Broadcasting

Where are the young people picking up the instruments, playing the music, keeping the culture alive?


Who’s the best young blues guitarist in Mississippi?

from that mississippi/gulf coast area you have keeping/updating the blues traditions alive, in it's various forms

christone ingram
gark clark jr
cedric burnside
sharde thomas
shemekia copeland
robert kimbrough
alvin youngblood
ryan perry & fam
jontavious willis

Off the top of my head I can name 3 young artist pushing the New Orleans sound forward. People like Christian Scott, Trombone shorty, Pj Morton are all young jazz artist who tour world wide.



Groups like Tank and the Bangas( a group of kids barely out high school, who mixed all those sounds together ) Hot 8, and Rebirth keeping the New Orleans brass band sound relevant

see above....from the people I posted above (both are grammy nominated/grammy winners), Gary is the most global act/genre meshing





cedric burnside is next

NPR Choice page

Bounce is being copied by the biggest artist, and is responsible for 2 of the biggest/popular songs made last year. Not to mention how much Beyoncé loves to copy the New Orleans bounce sound.

if we're talking hiphop from the south, then Atlanta is king. Trap is everywhere from Kpop to latin/Modern reggaeton

I gave you three different genres of music still thriving in the city/ world TODAY IN 2019. All started in New Orleans.

All southern regions have pretty much local variations of the same genres. For mississippi, blues and gospel are strongest there, in current times.